‘Conspiracy theorists’ sane, government dupes crazy and hostile

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  1. Kokomojojo

    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    not just 7 all of them, you are right! impossible.


    they will forever dance around with ad hominem attacks and putting their own nutbag definitions on it to obfuscate the truth.

    its impossible, well unless of course you have little gren men from outer space spread through the building with torches and stop watches heating the columns.

    They are so desperate right now they are saying anything.

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  2. Kokomojojo

    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    that has already been explained and it was global and it was as gradual as this one

    IN FACT IT WAS EXACTLY LIKE THIS ONE

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    wow look how global it is!

    oh does it say demolition on that pic?

    wow a demolition whoda thunked it
     
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    Look leftysergeant, you stop. Ten floors can crush one if the load is dynamic. They can't crush 90 below them and accelerate through them. The lower 90 would cause deceleration. Richard Gage proved that concept with his cardboard box demonstration. If you can't understand it then you are the one not engaging your brain.

    Now, back to the real question.
    "Explain how all load bearing columns suffered global symmetrical failure within milliseconds of each other from random office fires across a 200 x 200 ft building."

    Explain it leftysergeant. NIST claims simple office fires weakened the 25 interior steel core columns and they all gave way within milliseconds of each other. Some of those columns were no where near any fires. We laugh in their face because we know it is impossible. We know they lied about column 79 being unrestrained. Whoever believes NIST does not have their brain engaged.
     
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    and of course that little problem of no fire to be seen one side of wtc2, this side would have it full strength!

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    of course nist would have us believe osama bin laden hired little green men from mars were there with torches!



    some people believed them LOL

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    but lets not believe what we see with our eyes,

    lets believe what lefty tells us to to believe
     
  5. Perilica grad Ameriku

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    Wrong. The physics of the situation (the real physics, not the ambiguous, inchoate, ignorant truther cardboard box and Barbie doll version) have been outlined already in this thread along withe the mathematics behind the physics. Every truther in this thread has run away from that demonstration. The real physics proves that the dynamic load that crushed the 95th floor actually increased for every subsequent floor. For every subsequent floor the downward acceleration due to gravity was more than an order of magnitude greater than the deceleration caused by impacts with each floor and so the overall acceleration could not be resisted by the lower floors.

    Richard Gage is a clown.

    Ignoring again that the failure was not symmetrical and that it did not happen "within milliseconds" (all of which will be demonstrated as part of the explanation), I have offered to explain it several times in this thread. But Koko (and you) have failed to answer the two questions necessary to begin the discussion. We all know that you and Koko will take every opportunity to move the goal posts, contradict yourselves, backpedal and equivocate, so the explanation must take place in steps with checkpoints of understanding along the way. The two questions are the first checkpoint.

    Here they are again:

    Answer those questions and the demonstration will proceed.

    This is of course a lie so goofy as to wonder why you even tried it. NIST says no such thing.

    Of course. Why would anybody expect all of them to be near fires? Anybody who actually knows the first thing about physics and engineering that is.

    We're not talking about WTC 7 yet, Bro. Please... try to control your ADHD.
     
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    You don't have any idea what anybody is talking about. Ridicule does not work anymore. We know that the official stance was to use ridicule to make truthers look crazy. Those days are behind us. There is no reason for me to go into a bunch of math to prove you wrong. You are being proven wrong because you can't answer a very simple question.

    Mechanical Engineer Tony Szamboti has 27 years of experience and he explains deceleration and why the official NIST explanation is impossible in the following video. I think I trust his judgement over some loudmouth posting on the Internet using ridicule as a defense to avoiding answering simple questions. I do not have any ADHD and Richard Gage is not a clown.

    [video=youtube;A7tSfwkKaUo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7tSfwkKaUo[/video]
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7tSfwkKaUo

    "Explain how all load bearing columns suffered global symmetrical failure within milliseconds of each other from random office fires across a 200 x 200 ft building." Tony Szamboti says its impossible. I agree with him.
     
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    Why not?,the floors collapsing would far exceed the designed load for the floors below,and it would get even heavier with every floor....And gage proved nothing of the sort,he was just exercising his own stupidity

    The damage done was to 6 floors in the north tower,and 8 floors on the south tower,so it was a bit more than '10 floors'

    And you keep saying they 'lied' about column 79...HOW do you know this?
     
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    There is an extensive suite of reasons why you should go into "a bunch of math." Your problem is that you can't go into "a bunch of math."

    You don't understand it.

    There are more than 1.5 million engineers in the United States. The law of incredibly large numbers requires that some of them be idiots, and that many of them occasionally be wrong.

    I have presented the engineering analysis and shown the math that proves Szamboti is wrong. You (and every other troofer in this thread) have run in terror from that demonstration. When Szamboti shows up in this thread, I will be happy to debate him. Sadly, all I've got here is you and Koko.

    And both of you are completely in over your head.

    If you want dueling videos, enjoy this debate in which Szamboti gets pretty much eviscerated:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1u3KO9kUdE

    If you do not have ADHD, then I can only attribute your frantic and continuous tendency to try and change the subject to be deliberate cowardice. Otherwise, you would stay on topic.

    Again, ignoring that "all load bearing columns" did not suffer "global symmetrical failure within milliseconds" I keep offering to explain exactly that. But before we can do so, you need to answer two, simple, nonthreatening questions to insure that you are following along. But for some very strange reason, none of you seem willing to answer them. It is a level of temerity that I would not expect from the self proclaimed physics geniuses of the truther movement on this thread.
     
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    you either have the goods or you dont, no questions need to be answered.

    Nist does not come out and demand everyone answer questions before putting up the reports nor does another other agency.

    It does not sound like you are talking about the same thing "all load bearing columns" did not suffer "global symmetrical failure within milliseconds" that I am talking about but we cant know if you aint talkin.

    So you may as well drop the drama mystery (*)(*)(*)(*) and if you have a point to make make it or forget it.

    and flat earth theory was peer reviewed by engineers of the time as well.

    stop talking around it and once again if you think you have point make it.

    No one is going to agree with any blanket acknowledgement you want to format to your favor.
     
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    he read the blue prints LOL
     
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    you cant quote me "real" physics when all you can put up is speculation and assumptions. Physics required hard empirical data and you have none!

    No you say?

    Good then I want a full certified accounting of the building structural assessment prior to the collapse.

    Oh you dont have it? Because no one was in the building? So all you can give us is best guesses? Good luck selling that (*)(*)(*)(*) as physics.

    it works like this

    1 structure in tact

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    3 crashing down

    you need to fill in the middle
     
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    was it now?

    got any evidence for this?
     
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    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    did you have a history class? otherwise sure, its easy to find in the library. Oh you mean you want me to do your homework for you? not going to happen. I gave you the source.
     
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    its your claim.

    you have the burden of proof.

    that's how an intelligent & mature discussion works.
     
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    I answered your question, the subject has nothing to do with the issue and frankly to make it the topic derails the issues on the table.

    It is or should be common knowledge and it appears you want to join the ranks of troll boy. I gave you the source if it is important to you look it up, I will not waste my time with it.

    If you want to impress me skip the drama and tell us how the miracle of global symmetric failure occurred since whats his face is stalling while he figgers out how he can use the worn out hat argument.
     
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    Thread closure notification.
    Your back and forth flame baiting and insulting has been duly noted. If you can't bring yourself to discuss the topic respectfully, perhaps its best not to discuss.

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