“Ribs & (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)”, core American value?

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  1. Professor Peabody

    Professor Peabody Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You'll need to ask Hillary. The usual answers from you when you are faced with the truth about Hillary. There is no need for you to believe, only the voters.
     
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    Why would I need to ask Hillary? She is not making any accusations against herself. If you make an accusation I would expect at least a minimum amount of proof. When it comes to this claim against HRC I get a big nothing cookie. Nada, zip, zilch, zero, nil. You guys keep throwing the same allegation out there as if it has proof or if you say a lot it will become true by magic. I don't believe in magic.
     
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    According to the anonymous kook blog? That's comedy.

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    I provided it with a link.
     
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    The problem here is that there are two types of guys. There's the guy who doesn't need a signed document of consent in order to tell the difference between sexual assault and sex, and there's the other guy who knows so little about female sexuality that a girl could yell "grab me by the hair and drag me to your man cave!!!!" and he would take that to mean that she wants to discuss prehistoric cave paintings.

    Rich and famous guys like Trump and Justin Bieber have bodyguards to protect themselves from the type of women he was talking about.

    I doubt Justin takes his groupies furniture shopping prior to bedding them. But that's the kinda class act that Donald Trump is.
     
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    Again the link was someone else just repeating the same crapola with no evidence. Where's the evidence?

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    You are right about one thing. There are two types of guys, sexual predators and normal people.
     
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    There is not even 1 such story. In fact, if you Google powder puff football you will find many other accounts of similar incidents. Countless more manage to keep out of the news and courts.
    Read Kipling's Deadlier Than the Male for further guidance. ;-)
     
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    Because when I want to understand the psychology of women in modern America and how they act when faced with sexual assault, I should NOT go to the women themselves, but definitely should instead go to a man who lived in the Victorian era.
     
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    The 97 lawsuit might have some substance. Has the Washington Post or the NYT gotten into the details?
     
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    We all know that if you grab an American woman's crotch without her consent you are going to get slugged, kicked, slapped or shot. That is why most of us know better that to try it.

    The women in the Victorian era were tough as nails, but not as tough as American women today. Start with Kipling and work your way up the food chain to the 21st century. You will find the American woman at the top.

    Or better yet try that crap with some American "women themselves" and tell us how that works out for you.
     
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    That isn't true and I can present you more than 1 million stories showing it to be false.

    Not all American women react to sexual assault the way you claim.
     
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    Virtually all will react the same way to an unwanted groping. Violent serial rapists may be able to minimize resistance ( see Broderrick's account of her rape), but BC had to bite through her upper lip before she submitted.
     
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    And she has recanted that story when under oath.
     
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    Nonsense. She never told the story publicly until Jones hit her with a subpoena to compel her to testify. She delivered a false affidavit in a vain attempt to preserve her privacy.

    Broaddrick says she was determined to keep the incident quiet.
    But in 1997, her hand was forced when she was subpoenaed by Paula Jones’ lawyers.

    She filed an affidavit in that case — under oath as Jane Doe 5 — denying any “unwelcome sexual advances” by Clinton. She said “These allegations are untrue,” and “there is no truth to the rumors.”

    Broaddrick: “I didn’t want to be forced to testify about one of the most horrific events in my life. I didn’t want to go through it again.”
    She later told the same story, denying the assault, in a sworn deposition in the Jones case.

    Myers: “Last March another woman comes forward, Kathleen Willey, accuses the president of unwanted sexual advances — why didn’t you come forward?”

    Broaddrick: “Well Lisa, I would get up in the morning and I would think: it’s the thing to do. Then by nighttime I would think that could bring no good whatsoever to my life. And I’m sorry for these women. I’m sorry for what they went through, but I just wasn’t brave enough to do it. There’s nothing else to say.”

    But she changed her mind and changed her story, when Independent Counsel Ken Starr’s office approached her last April — investigating wrong-doing in the Jones case.

    Broaddrick says she feared lying to a federal grand jury, and once Starr granted her immunity from prosecution for perjury — she agreed to come forward with details of her allegations against Clinton.

    But Starr did not pursue the allegations further because he was investigating obstruction of justice charges against the president. Broaddrick never alleged any obstruction — said the president never urged her to lie — so Starr didn’t pursue the allegations any further.

    Finally, after months of contact with us, Broaddrick decided to speak to NBC News, on Jan. 20, in the middle of the Senate impeachment trial.
    Myers: “Then why now Juanita?”

    Broaddrick: (Very emotional) “I just couldn’t hold it in any longer. I didn’t want [my] granddaughters and nieces, when they’re 21 years old to turn to me and say, ‘Why didn’t you tell what this man did to you?’”
    We repeatedly asked the White House what it knew about Juanita Broaddrick — about her character or possible motivation. We got no response.
    We checked with local and federal law enforcement officials, who told us she’s a solid citizen with no criminal record and that they take her allegations very seriously.” Clinton Rapist Dateline NBC Transcript, Lisa Meyers, NBC News. [Transcript taken from: “Clinton “in fact” raped Juanita” Wall Street Journal piece, Feb. 19, 1999]

    http://shadowgov.com/Clinton/DNBCJuanitaTranscript.html
     
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    "Yes, I lied under oath, twice. But this time I'm not lying, I swear!"
     
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    In fact, she is very credible. Her account is corroborated by several contemporaneous witnesses.

    “So who else did Broaddrick talk to?

    Three of her friends tell NBC News she told them about the alleged incident at the time: Susan Lewis...

    Susan Lewis: “It was very traumatic for her.”

    Louise Ma...

    Myers: “Did you urge her to report it?”

    Louise Ma: “No.”

    Myers: “Why not?”

    Louise Ma: “Because women were made victims at the time. And you know what the courts were like in that time period. It was always the woman’s fault.”

    And Jean Darden, the sister of Norma Kelsey, the woman who says she saw Juanita at the hotel.

    Both admit they have a serious reason not to like Bill Clinton — in 1981 as governor, Clinton commuted the life sentence of their father’s killer, making him eligible for parole.

    The stories her friends tell from 20 years ago are consistent — and Broaddrick herself says she recalls many details.” Clinton Rapist Dateline NBC Transcript, Lisa Meyers, NBC News. [Transcript taken from: “Clinton “in fact” raped Juanita” Wall Street Journal piece, Feb. 19, 1999]

    http://shadowgov.com/Clinton/DNBCJuanitaTranscript.html
     

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