‘No more!’ Trump tweets to Pakistan, accusing it of ‘lies & deceit’.....

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    Yet you don't never talk about all that we do that promotes good in the world. You talk like the US is a Dictatorship and that it is imposing a more difficult way of life for others under the yoke of oppression.

    Your morals don't account for those under the yoke of oppression. That which your Utopia or Heaven on Earth doesn't account for.

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    Pakistan did use their military to attack terrorist in their north region(otherwise the terrorist wont attack school in Pakistan as we see in the news before) and allow US drone fly there. the aid is meant for those. but Pakistan is not gonna fully cooperate with US on many issue due its own national interest.
     
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    Well we are holding back the money. Going forward.....we shouldn't give them any more money. If we owe them money. Pay off the debt and then don't give them any more or any US Tech.
     
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    I’m not here to talk about that. I’m here to talk about the USFP promoted by the MIC.
     
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    Well don't forget to include those allies and what they wanted. As that is a main point that is missed. Naturally you will need to point out how alliances work. As the leftness hasn't learned about that much.
     
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    well, then we cant fly our drone over Pakistan air space, and they wont cooperate on rooting out Taliban with their military. We basically hire them to do that.
     
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    They aren't fully cooperating now. They haven't been doing a good job in rooting out the Taliban. Have stabbed us in the back.

    As to the drones....do they even know they are there if we don't tell them?
     
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    I’m not a partisan. I’m critical of both parties. When either one is in power and engages in military adventurism and gratuitous war. That’s hard to deal with for a partisan as yourself. You are only critical of USFP when it’s Obama, Clinton or Carter at the helm and you excuse USFP abuses when it’s Reagan, Bush and Trump at the helm. Such hypocrisy gets us nowhere.
     
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    Try studying hegemony especially that part about structure. Then Alliances.

    Oh save that crap Monte. I dumped on the Neo Cons for years.

    Also.....that doesn't give Iran, Pakistan, the Saud, Russia, China, or N Korea.....any pass!
     
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    Nope, those countries don’t get a pass when they violate international law, and they have. But I’m not a citizen of those countries and my tax dollars aren’t sponsoring their bad behavior. I’ve made my point on this clear to you on multiple occasions now. Republican or Democrat, it doesn’t matter, USFP is fairly static and transcends administrations. If eliteist interests in the US find one dictatorship to be useful to the pursuit of our “national interests” (Saudi Arabia, Iraq before they weren’t) then we prop them up and if not we regime change them and it has nothing to do with humanitarianism, but advancing “US Interests” which usually aren’t your interests or mine , but you tend to support them just the same, which perpetuates US aggression. I have about the influence of a gnat on USFP. How would you expect that I could have any impact on the foreign policy of countries that I’m not a citizen of or a tax payer in.
     
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    Yet again you don't talk about how it affects our enemies and with the alliances, so you aren't really telling the whole truth about USFP.
     
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    I’m not interested in the entirety of USFP. We have embassies and ambassadors around the world engaged in all manner of things that are helpful to their host countries. Why would I criticize that or even talk about it? My focus is on the aspects of USFP carried out primarily by our CIA and our MIC. Which goes on without regard to what party is in power. Whereas you are only critical of one party. Again, part of the problem.
     
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    Sure, as long as you realize that "proper" is going to have a different definition and a different look for different nations.
     
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    If it ever has the face of regime change, then it isn’t proper. Otherwise I understand and largely agree with that sentiment.
     
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    Look, I have been on the ground behind the business-end of enforcing "international law". There is no country on earth which does not violate it whenever it serves their own national interest. Not a single one. Rarely is any legitimate action taken unless the US takes direct action or indirect action via NATO troops. International Law, really, is whatever the US is willing to enforce. Everything else is worthless words broadcast for public consumption to make you feel a little better.

    As for "Regime Change", I think the US probably engages in it too often, particularly against dictators who keep the jihadists beat down and inline. We should have left Saddam Hussein alone, in retrospect. We should have left Muammar Gaddafi to run Libya as he saw fit. We should learn from these examples and stop messing with Assad.

    This type of leader knows how to handle radical muslims. We need to shut up and get out of their way.

    You realize of course, they are also the absolute worst violators of "international law"?
     
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    Oh, I completely understand this and you’d get no disagreement from me on that at all.
     
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    Don’t know that I’d go that far, but yes, Hussein, Mubarak, Gaddafi and Assad were definitely the better alternative to what exists now, if you’re only looking at it from a humanitarian POV. But USFP typically isn’t those optics, all the claims of such notwithstanding.
     

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