‘Tired of being afraid’: Hundreds of thousands decry guns

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  1. PT78

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    'WASHINGTON (AP) — Summoned to action by student survivors of the Florida school shooting, hundreds of thousands of teenagers and their supporters rallied in the nation’s capital and cities across America on Saturday to press for gun control in one of the biggest youth protests since the Vietnam era.

    “If you listen real close, you can hear the people in power shaking,” David Hogg, a survivor who has emerged as one of the student leaders of the movement, told the roaring crowd of demonstrators at the March for Our Lives rally in Washington.

    He warned: “We will get rid of these public servants who only care about the gun lobby.”

    Chanting “Vote them out!” and bearing signs reading “We Are the Change,” ″No More Silence” and “Keep NRA Money Out of Politics,” the protesters packed Pennsylvania Avenue between the Capitol and the White House.'

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    Fantastic stuff.
     
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    When countries get tired and stale - it is almost always the youth who stir things up...just as these 'youth' are doing today.
     
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    Your problem is not with guns, your problem is with your whole society.
    The Balkans have almost the same ration gun to household and count in three dominant ethnicity and religions that had war just 20 years ago.
    We don't ever have any shootings even thought we are ready to fight a war tomorrow.

    Guns ain't the problem.
     
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    Are the number of protesters higher than the March for Life Abortion demonstration in 2013?



     
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    I hate to be the bearer of bad news for those youngsters, but if they are tired of being afraid, the government is the LAST organization that can help you achieve the peace of not being afraid.

    The government can do many things that are necessary for society to thrive, but protecting you from assault and battery is NOT one of its powers.
     
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    When the fossilized "adults' can't do what is RIGHT for a population.......the young must take over and show them how. And and what has to be done. And yes...guns are a big part of the problem. Listen to th e youth. They do NOT want guns in their classroom;s etc. and they are right. what kind of schoolroom would it be with teachers carrying guns?/

    The real question is: What is this american gun fetish all about to begin with.?? It has NOTHING to do with any amendment. or self protection rights........ it has gone way beyond that into a mental obsession.......where violence via guns is the norm. the pre mentioned fossilised adults will be highly restrictive to any change......as they have been programmed by movies, and other cultural conditioning about guns. These wonderful young Americans might just have to keep shaming them into changing their attitudes and being open to new and safer, commonsense ideas. Moe power to them. They are the FUTURE AMERICA.........and already have a intelligent attitude towards the big issues facing their society.
     
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    If this march isn't an astroturf movement, I don't know what is.
    You really think there's enough young adults who care enough about anything to organize a movement and raise the necessary funds?

    These impressionable youngsters are being mobilized by those middle aged fossils you were talking about.
     
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    In a few years those kids will go to college or will be starting families. Their political opinions will be changing. That’s why youth organizations never really achieve anything but make noise.
     
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    its just a bunch of blurring stuff to me
     
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    People like Cameron Kasky make me sad because they as so brainwashed. They do not understand that the NRA is not a "gun lobby," it is just a grassroots organization of the American people. THAT is why it is so powerful. Politicians who do what it wishes are ultimately just following the wishes of their constituents. It is probably one of the few examples of our republic actually working in the way that it is supposed to. It isn't a special interest, it is a grassroots organization that stands against the proposed actions of other special interests.

    It is the gun control side that is the true special interest in all this. They lack the grassroots support of the NRA and gun rights overall, so they have to rely on money from wealthy people like Michael Bloomberg (who alone repeatedly outspends the NRA). People like Mr. Kasky think the NRA is an example of the corruption of our political system, but it is really an example of our political system for once actually working the way it should, i.e. politicians adhering to the wishes of the people and not special interests.
     
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    The teacher doesn't necessarily need to carry the gun, just have quick access to one if they hear shooting start somewhere. And the youth are among the absolute worst to listen to on any kind of complicated issue (which this is).

    They do? You have David Hogg, one of the faces of the movement, going on an F-Bomb rant and claiming all gun people want dead children. You have Emma Gonzales saying she "doesn't care what supporters of the 2nd Amendment have to say" and also claiming anyone who supports the NRA has blood on their hands, and so forth. They are brainwashed and among the absolute LAST people who should be listened to regarding policy.

    Also, America doesn't have a "gun fetish." It is about protection of a right, same as we have a "free speech fetish" and "privacy fetish." The issue with most other countries is that their populations are brainwashed into thinking guns are bad and have little to no understanding about the issue of guns or guns in a society and thus what the actual causes of gun violence are.
     
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    Sweet! We are looking at the future Marxist drones who are going to hand this nation over to their leftist masters some day and then be very, VERY sorry for having been so inexcusably stupid, non-thinking . . . EMOTERS when had they simply paid attention to the lessons of history and had they TRIED thinking, it wouldn't have turned out to be hell on Earth. Ah well, so it goes.
    Please cease trying to get nation-hating drones and their followers to try and THINK through issues. They hate that.
     
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    Good for the kids the future is theirs....I wholeheartedly support the freedom to petition of redress through mass demonstration...This makes my old veteran heart swell with pride..
     
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    Would that crowd be bigger than the inauguration crowd:p!
     
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    Prevention is better than a used band aid which is what this plan is

    Rapid fire weapons = multiple casualties in the first few seconds
     
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    LOL...I swear...that is EXACTLY what I thought when I first posted this picture.

    LOL.
     
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    It stopped being a grass rootsf organisation when it started taking serious funding from the armaments manufacturers
    https://www.businessinsider.com.au/gun-industry-funds-nra-2013-1
     
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    Then you do not know what is

    How can that many people be paid to rally?

    I remember the seventies and we had huge spontaneous marches and sit ins and love ins etc without anyone paying us
     
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    Define "rapid fire." Any weapon that allows for reasonable self-defense allows for the quick follow up of an attack. Semiautomatic technology has been around for over 100 years now. People like you would subject people to 19th century gun technology and then claim that even that is too much. Any weapon that allows quick repeated shots against an attacker also will allow quick repeated shots to mass murder. That is not a bug, it's a feature. Same with weapons that are devastating to the human body. That is not a bug, it's a feature, as a weapon is no good if it doesn't bring down an attacker.

    Yeah, that's nonsense though, for a few reasons:

    1) Nobody knows how the NRA spends its money.

    2) The gun industry is far too small to give the organization the kind of influence that it has in Washington. The financial and banking, pharmaceutical, oil and gas, retail, tech, defense, etc...industries and their lobbies DWARF the NRA in terms of spending in Washington. As said, Michael Bloomberg alone, as one man, outspends the NRA. There is no way an industry as tiny as gun manufacturing is going to be able to give the NRA the power that it has. Gun manufacturing is about $17 billion. Guns and ammunition manufacturing, sales, recreation, etc...altogether is maybe about $50 billion. That is peanuts in comparison to the other industries, where the individual companies often have revenues that are multiples of that.

    3) It's power is in the ability to bring out votes, which is why politicians listen to it.
     
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    You do not need a gun for defence

    And you certainly do not need a rapid fire weapon for defence unless you want to also take out the cat, the pot plants half the family and the kids next door.
    http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-ca-skelton-florida-shooting-gun-control-20180219-story.html
    It is not how the NRA spends its money as much as it is about the fact it is being paid to support an industry that is funding it
     
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    And if you're ever in a situation where a couple criminals decide you've strayed too far from the herd, the last thought you will have is how wrong you were.
     
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    Wrong.

    The Balkans don't have 'almost the same ration gun to household.' The US has 101 guns per capita. Serbia has 58 per capita. Montenegro has 23. Croatia has 21. Bosnia has 17. Slovenia has 13. Albania and Slovakia have 8. Bulgaria has 6. Romania has 0.7. And so on. Nowhere near the number per capita as the US. No country in the world has over 58 guns per capita except the US, which has 101.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country
     
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    They are what your society is using to kill children. Children have the right to say 'enough killing of us'. Most societies believe in protecting their children.
     
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    This is an excellent podcast with transcript of the history of the NGA and Guns in the US illustrating how the US through its history has been a white nationalist country and how the NGA and Gun rights were and are about the right to kill an Indian or a Black person or anyone else who is not white. Need to listen to it before arguing.

    Intercepted Podcast: White Supremacy and the Church of the Second Amendment
     
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