‘We will prosecute’ employers who help immigration sweeps, California AG says

We're not talking about a major flood here. You're suggesting the Californian military stage a coup becuase some orange guy nobody likes a continent away had a temper tantrum over California having laws he didn't like. California wouldn't need to declare independence, the CNG would just laugh at him and that's no way the Feds are going to start a civil war over immigration policy.

 

Your anti-Trump rant aside, the fact remains you are wrong on the law and California doesn't have the balls to secede so it's a moot issue.

Better for you to listen to Aerosmith's "Dream On".

 

You're the only 1 talking about succession. There's only so many issues where it's apportate to nationalize the NG and this ain't 1 of them. Now if California was actively aiding the movement undocumented immigrants beyond its own borders that would be different. As it stands, this is nothing more then California deciding ITS borders are open to non violent immigrants and that's a states' rights issue.

And let's be clear here, the Indians and Irish are the problem if you take issue with undocumented immigration while migration on the US/Mexico border has been SOUTH for the past few years which is why most people dismiss complaints such as yours as racially motivated. Expecting Trump to nationalize the NG becuase some people don't mind Mexicans is idiotic to the point even Trump hasn't suggested it.

 

George Wallace would beg to differ.


Facing federalized Alabama National Guard troops, Alabama Governor George Wallace ends his blockade of the University of Alabama in Tuscaloosa and allows two African American students to enroll.



On June 10, 1963, President John F. Kennedy federalized National Guard troops and deployed them to the University of Alabama to force its desegregation. The next day, Governor Wallace yielded to the federal pressure, and two African American students–Vivian Malone and James A. Hood–successfully enrolled. In September of the same year, Wallace again attempted to block the desegregation of an Alabama public school–this time Tuskegee High School in Huntsville–but President Kennedy once again employed his executive authority and federalized National Guard troops. Wallace had little choice but to yield.

Cheers

 

Wow. Okay. So despite all of your assertions that such a secession could succeed and my denials it wouldn't, you're saying only I'm talking secession. Since I'm not, there's nothing else to discuss. Have a nice day, sir.

 

Excellent point. Now wait to be accused of being the only one discussing secession.

 

They are attempting to. This will not and should not be tolerated by the Federal Government. The DOJ should and must come down hard on any action brought by the state of CA against any employer so prosecuted.

 

California has borders with adjoining states. The United States of America has a border adjoining nations - Mexico and Canada.

The fallacy of the argument that net illegal immigration is net zero is that illegal immigration from Mexico into the US is positive. That illegal immigration from Mexico into the US must be stopped. The "wall" will reduce the magnitude of illegal immigration from Mexico into the US.

 

Under California's current laws, what would be the border crossing process look like along California's border with Mexico if California Law Enforcement were to staff the border, as opposed to Federal Border Patrol personnel?

 

The illegal aliens would be embraced and driver’s licenses & voter registration cards would be handed to them.

 

Well, they certainly wouldn't be asked to provide any documentation, and based on restrictions about asking for any, it would seem they would simply be allowed to cross with impunity.

 

I mean if California was ready to issue state only voter cards for state elections maybe. They can't vote in Fed elections without documentation, voter fraud (about 0.04% of the votes in presidential years, less other elections) is a baseless Repub boogie man. Otherwise I'd say your assessment is about right.

 

If an illegal alien is registered to vote via Motor Voter automatic registration, how would anyone know they voted?

Going further, California has made it legal for illegal aliens to vote, if they were automatically registered when getting a drivers license, and if caught, claim they didn't know they couldn't vote.

 

How do we actually know that. The effort to determine the magnitude of voter fraud was abandoned because the states refused to provide the data.

 

Agreed. And maybe bus tickets to San Francisco.

 

When have you ever registered to vote just by showing ID? At the voting booth, sure. They'll either run your ID against their database or check your voter card. To actually register takes either a SSN or worker ID (for green card holders) or bank account (which you can't have without the previously mentioned). Maybe you're confusing a licence with a passport? That can be used to register as well but requires proof of citizenship to get.

As I said before, voter fraud has no statistical impact on elections it happens so little. If California wants to let them vote in state elections that's on them but simply placing a piece of plastic with your mugshot on it won't get you a voter card.

 

Or to here in Los Angeles where they could live next to their former neighbors.

 

Because it's not work $250M every 4 years to stop 0.04% of ineligible voters. The resistance isn't due to a lack of care but rather becuase they WERE making the effort and coming up empty handed. Same reason drug testing for food stamps doesn't have any support from those actually handing them out. It's close enough to a non issue to not be worth the expense.

 

What stops them from voting in a national/statewide election?

 

Refusing to have state law enforcement enforce Federal law is fine and they're within their rights to do so, but they can't make it illegal to abide by Federal law. This is coming dangerously close to that point.

They cannot prevent Federal authorities from enforcing Federal law.

 

Agreed. It appears they have stepped over the line. I understand a State should not be forced to take on Federal law enforcement duties, but as the Arizona case proved, you can't write new laws that impede Federal authority.

 

Not having a voter ID? I just explained this.

 

If they weren't in such a self-imposed disaster of an economic position I'd suggest they secede.

 

How do we know it’s 0.04% ?? And what the distribution of voter fraud is ??

 

And IMO it is unethical for a state to not assist the federal government from enforcing federal laws.