“Colorblind” Conservative Republicans....

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  1. Brewskier

    Brewskier Well-Known Member

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    Despite all the claims made against the Republican Party, the majority of its membership has been conditioned to not care about race. They sincerely believe that anybody can be a conservative Patriotic American just as long as their values line up the right way.

    Here’s the thing, though. ~97% of blacks vote for the Democratic Party. We saw that in the Alabama special election, we saw that during Barack Obama’s elections, and we’ve seen that in many elections held around the country. You don’t see numbers like that in most despotic 3rd world countries where voting for the wrong candidate could result in a threat to your family’s well-being. Saddam Hussein got elected with less than that. Vladimir Putin got elected with significantly less than that.

    So it’s clear that elections are not being decided based on a free exchange of ideas and on issues with this group, and to a lesser extent other groups. The takeaway is that identity politics work. You may not like that, and it may not be ideal to you, but there’s no way around it. They aren’t importing millions of Mexicans because they are afraid of them starting to vote Republican. They know that 70-80% of them will continue voting for left wing candidates that the Dem party throws out, and its just a matter of dispersing this group over a wide enough area to effect change.

    Politics is a racial matter to the left, and has been for a long time. Only white conservative Republicans (and, in general, white people) are the only ones not willing to see that. You may think you’re taking the moral high ground because Ben Shapiro tells you it’s the right thing to do (while he, himself, supports an ethnostate), but you’re really just disarming yourself of your greatest advantage - numerical superiority. If the white vote wasn’t as fractured as it is, the left and the Democrats wouldn’t win for generations. If whites voted like Hispanics we would have super majorities for decades. If whites voted like blacks it would probably be 100 years before the Dems would win again.

    So why don’t whites start playing to win? What do they have to gain by not playing identity politics?
     
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    This an an over exaggeration. The example of 97% of blacks vote Democrats is not possible. In 2016, for example, only ~60% of eligible black voters voted. That means plenty of the votes could have gone elsewhere if the whole process didn't feel useless in the first place.

    The claim about Mexicans is false. They are not here for votes, they are here for economic reasons. The quest to drive down wages and to complete labor with as close to slavery as some businesses can get away with is a long standing practice in this country.

    Politics is an economic matter not a race matter. Race is just the most effective tool politicians use to achieve their economic goals.
     
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    I think it's much easier to try to convert more whites to the GOP than it is minorities. Minorities who will vote GOP will do it anyways whether or not you try to win them over based on their racial group. It's a better use of our resources to just try to consolidate the white vote the best we can. Trying to cater to minorities also ends up diluting right wing policies anyways which makes it not worth doing even if it's successful. A democrat-lite GOP isn't something most conservatives think is worth fighting for.

    Smart conservative minorities know this is a necessary strategy for the long term viability of conservatism, so it isn't going to drive them away to the Democrats.
     
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    Lol...Ah, yes, those pesky coloreds. I was wondering how long it would take for the other shoe to drop.
    The trouble with your white identity politics is that you can't tell the good whites from the bad whites.
    You might find yourself in bed with a Jew, fer chrissake!
     
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    Lol...Your so-called white nationalist agenda has been on the wrong side of history since 1945.
    Nobody but racists and cowards is going to be swayed by the paranoid hate-mongering it offers.
    The real question is how long the real GOP will put up with the racist extremists in their midst before they grow a set and reclaim their authentic conservative values and throw the lunatic fringe back where it belongs?
     
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    I aint a white nationalist though. Nobody calls all those liberals who sit around plotting to bring in more brown people Brown nationalists.

    I'm the same thing but on the other end of the spectrum.
     
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    Go back to Stormfront and stop calling yourself a republican
     
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    But most white people don't like people like you - so why would they vote for candidates you support?
     
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    Is 60% of voting blacks not a big enough number to show how blacks vote as a group? What reasons would I have to assume the other 40% would have voted differently? Do you have any evidence of this? I’m led to believe the opposite. Who are the ineligible ones? Criminals and the very young? Wouldn’t these groups be even more likely to vote Democrat?

    I was referring to the reasons why they are being brought here, not why they would want to come here. I’m talking about the powers that be.

    Right, it works, as evidenced by the fact that nearly 100% of blacks vote their race. That’s why I’m advocating for whites to do the same thing.
     
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    This is correct. I don’t understand the argument that the GOP needs to be more like the Democrats if it hopes to get more minorities. Minorities already have the Democratic Party, so why would they go elsewhere for a watered down version of it? It doesn’t make sense.

    Trumps win shows that appealing directly to whites is a winning strategy. The GOP should do this much more.
     
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    I like how you never have anything to add to a discussion. It’s very progressive.

    But tell me Mr. conservative Republican, how are you going to get blacks to vote for you and your party? They’ve heard the arguments already, they don’t like them, they continue voting by race. What’s your plan, aside from virtue signaling how tolerant and anti racist you are (that they don’t care about).
     
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    You think most white people like you? Someone who thinks becoming less white is a positive evolutionary step? How many whites would think like that?
     
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    Which is exactly why more minorities don't switch.
     
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    I don't care about "blacks" or "whites" as a demographic. MY idea would be to embrace actual fiscal conservatism (which the pubs haven't done while in power see tax cut which is good but doubling down on spending which is bad) and drop the social conservative bullshit. Dropping the moral authority foolishness will do more to revitalize the party than any other measure.
    Also we'd need to cut people like you, avowed public racists, out of the party in a public fashion.


    Why I mostly drive by your and similar horseshit is because that's all the response it merits. There's not much to add but invective to a racist's rantings
     
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    The difference between Trump winning and losing was the anti-Hillary vote - not the pro KKK vote.
     
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    Nope, it has nothing to do with it.
     
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    Trump directly seeked out the white vote and as a result of that he got more Hispanic and black votes than any other Republican presidential candidate before him in a long time. There's literally no downsides for us going after the white vote.
     
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    Yes - I don't think most white Americans support the KKK and Nazis.
     
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    Great plan, become the party of lower taxes (that minorities don’t support since they usually don’t pay much in taxes anyway), abortion, drug use, homosexuality, transgenderism, and all of the other things that the Democratic Party already represents. That’ll be a great way to get another 1% of the minority vote in exchange for a double digit loss of the only voting bloc that actually supports the Republican Party.

    You’re a fast tracker to irrelevancy.
     
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    Most whites don’t vote the way you do. Most white people dont believe the human gene pool will be better when whites are gone, Daniel. That’s a special level of cucked self loathing that only white progressives like you are on board with.
     
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    Note how the OP doesn't address the question of WHY blacks vote Democrat in such huge numbers. They USED to vote REPUBLICAN in huge numbers. Huh. I wonder why that changed?

    If you spit on a group long enough and hard enough, they will wash their hands of you. That doesn't mean you can't win them back if you stop spitting on them. Particularly if the rest of your message is attractive to them.

    Brewskier would like you to think that blacks just hate everything Republicans stand for... for no particular reason he can articulate. History says otherwise.
     
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    Most of the business owners I know, including the ethnic minorities, are pretty happy about the lower taxes. Maybe if you weren't stuck in your echo chamber you'd know that.

    Dropping the whole "boot on your neck for your own good" drug war is not being the party of drug use. Its being the party that repealed prohibition because prohibition doesn't work. Not pushing to ban all abortion as the main corner of the platform and instead letting it stay status quo (viability, a sliding scale approaching zero as technology improves) is not becoming the party of abortion. Not making homosexuality illegal is not endorsing it as the Dems do.
     
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    No - most whites just believe that the KKK and nazi are dicks - and as we saw with Roy Moore and David Duke, they make terrible candidates for higher office specifically because most whites can't stand KKK and nazi dicks.
     
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    I also like how most white nationalists are emotionally about 12 years old. If you disagree with them, you're a "cuck". It must make them feel manly or something.
     
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    60% can't speak for all. It would be the same if we said 60% of Whites voted Democrats so as a group they vote Democrat. It's stretching beyond belief and you dismiss those in the 40% who voted other parties or didn't care for anyone to vote for.

    Re Mexicans it is why they are brought here. They come here for economic reasons and are brought here by tptb for economic reasons.

    Again, you are saying 100% of blacks vote their race when only ~60% turned out to vote at all and not all of that ~60% voted Democrat. So, a chunk of black votes are up for grabs, but look at the options ...
     

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