“How Banks Unwittingly Finance Mass Shootings”

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  1. Richard The Last

    Richard The Last Well-Known Member

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    Maybe it's time for Second Amendment supporters to cut up the plastic and go back to good old hard cash. This is making me think twice. What say you?
     
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    How many mass shooters would have not committed their crime if they only had one gun? What percentage of people who buy multiple guns in a "short period" turn out to be mass shooters?
     
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    Just run the transaction through Pay-Pal and call it merchandise.
     
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    Interesting question, the Parkland shooter only owned a single firearm, but he was also too young to purchase a handgun.

    I would say considering how rare a real mass shooting is the chances of someone buying a few guns and then going on to commit a mass shooting is almost non-measureable.

    Now what BATF has discovered is, many people who but a large quantity of firearms in a short period time are often strawman buying for a prohibited person.
     
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    Would not such ultimately mean that efforts at preventing the purchasing of large quantities of firearms in a short period of time, would legally amount to inhibiting investigations, obstruction of justice, and attempting to shield criminals from being caught?
     
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    Yes.
     
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    The Sante Fe shooter was also too young to buy a handgun, but he acquired on anyway.

    How did they find this out, given there's no database and tracking of gun purchases, or so we are told.
     
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    Most commonly it is due to the filing of a required BATF 3310.4 by the FFL.

    https://www.atf.gov/file/61426/download
     
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    I'm smarter than most Americans and I'm a cash and carry type of patriot and go out of my way not to leave a paper trail.

    I have always purchased all of my guns, ammunition and accessories using cash.

    When I go into a gun shop I always turn off the smart phone and the GPS.
     
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    The only mistake you made was posting here.
     
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    Same passwords for over twenty years and I still haven't been pwned...have you ?

    https://haveibeenpwned.com/Passwords
     
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    As soon as you purchase a firearm in a gunstore, you have left a paper trail.
    You present I.D. etc....
    Not using a credit card may save you interest,
    However you are still tracked like it or not.
     
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    That's why people I know buy at gun shows.
     
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    At gun shows, FFL’s are required to record their transactions as well as perform BCs. The only way a paper trail isn’t preserved is via a private sale. You won’t find that at a gun show table because selling multiple fire arms at a gun show would be considered not a private sale, but an activity requiring licence and transactions subject to BCs and record retention.
     
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    Incorrect. I think I mentioned this to you once before. Where I live I can go to a gun show and sell personal guns as private sales from a rented table without doing any checks. A person can also walk around the show carrying a gun with a for sale sign on it and sell it that way, again a private sale.

    I am a private party not a dealer. My guns are used by me. I buy them, shoot them, trade them with friends and on occasion will go to a gun show and sell three or four.
     
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    A private seller can sell anywhere without a BC leagally, but if sellling multiple guns there is a fuzzy threshold where you can be accused of being an unlicensed dealer, made more difficult in defense of if you are selling multiple guns from a rented booth. I don’t know about the venues you attend, but caught by the sponsors of the ones I work at, if caught doing it without a BC, they will toss you. At most places I attend, FFLs will often run a BC for you for free if you bring them completed forms and IDs.
     
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    And BATF walks the shows and will bust people whom they consider to be unlicensed dealers.
     
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    Not at the shows in CO, even before our UBC. The proposed federal law also fails to limit what FFLs can charge for processing the background check.
     
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    I've had the shows promoter stop by my table and chat about how things are going. This guy has been conducting gun shows for over 30 years. I am not a dealer in any form. I am not trying to make a living at this or even turn a profit. I am just trying to get what I have into a gun so I can buy something else to play around with. It's not an issue where I live and shouldn't be an issue anywhere in the US.
     
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