“Now, I love our country. I have been Russia’s worst nightmare."

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Sandy Shanks, Jun 8, 2018.

  1. Sandy Shanks

    Sandy Shanks Banned

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2016
    Messages:
    26,679
    Likes Received:
    6,470
    Trophy Points:
    113
    In keeping with Trump's absolutely ludicrous statements, in keeping with his determination to reward Russia for helping him win the election, in keeping with his sixteen month campaign to please Putin, Trump is siding with Russia at the G-7 summit against the wishes of our closest allies, Canada, Britain, Germany, France, Japan, and Italy.

    Trump on Friday said Russia should be readmitted to the Group of Seven leading economies, breaking with other world leaders who have insisted that Moscow remain ostracized after its 2014 annexation of Crimea.

    “Now, I love our country. I have been Russia’s worst nightmare . . . . But with that being said, Russia should be in this meeting,” Trump said Friday as he left the White House. “Whether you like it or not, and it may not be politically correct, but we have a world to run . . . . They should let Russia come back in.”

    That statement is filled with lies and deception.

    "Now, I love our Country." That is in serious doubt. He is isolating our country from our friends with his policies. He is making enemies of our friends while at great cost to our country's prestige and respect in the world combined with his enormous naiveté and incompetence, he is trying make friends of our enemies, primarily Putin, Xi, and Kim. He is particularly fond of Putin. He has called Putin and Xi friends while labeling the communist dictator of North Korea who murdered his uncle and brother an "honorable man." These are not the actions of a President who loves his country. These are the actions of a President who is doing the bidding of a hostile foreign power.

    "I have been Russia's worst enemy." That is simply a bald-faced lie. It is a common tactic for Trump. When there is a political fact that is detrimental to his administration, Trump lies. He says the very opposite is true, black is white. That tactic has become a daily practice for Trump and his erstwhile supporters. In this case, Trump has not even clearly blamed Russia for interfering in our nation. He has blamed Russia "along with others," including a "400-poound man." He has made a joke of a serious threat to our democracy. He has not taken steps to prevent Russian from doing it again. He has sanctioned individual Russians not named Putin, but that is just for show.

    "Russia should be in this meeting." In other words, according to Trump, Russia should be rewarded for its aggression and its illegal annexation of Crimea.

    "Whether you like it or not, and it may not be politically correct, but we have a world to run." That is an extremely deceptive and naive statement to make. The clown does not even know this is not an issue of political correctness. This is an issue that involves a geopolitical fact. Russia illegally invaded Ukraine, illegally annexed Crimea, continues its illegal practice of threatening eastern Ukraine, and Russia should be punished for these illegal acts.

    Instead, our President wants to reward Russia. "They should let Russia come back in."

    I wonder how many Russian sympathizers we have on this forum who will side with Trump and Putin on this issue.
     
  2. TheGreatSatan

    TheGreatSatan Banned

    Joined:
    Oct 13, 2009
    Messages:
    21,269
    Likes Received:
    21,243
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Do you want war with Russia?

    War, what is a good for?

    Absolutely nothing if you ask me.
     
  3. Jestsayin

    Jestsayin Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Aug 1, 2016
    Messages:
    16,798
    Likes Received:
    17,571
    Trophy Points:
    113
    People who become unhappy when an election doesn't go their way will vary their principals in a way that expresses their violent disagreement with the policies of the current administration. The usual suspects have a catch 22 when it comes to Trump and Russia. First it's "the Russians got Trump elected" (knowing the Russians had all Hillary's e-mail and if it were anybody the Russians would want in office it would be that witch). Then, it's "Trump is going to start a war with Russia" followed by, "Why does Trump want to include Russia in the G7 meetings?"
    Please lefties, make up your minds. At least pick one and stick with it.
    As for political correctness the OP mentions? Those two words are destroying America.
     
  4. Sandy Shanks

    Sandy Shanks Banned

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2016
    Messages:
    26,679
    Likes Received:
    6,470
    Trophy Points:
    113
    That is all you can say? You must have voted for Trump.

    Can you at least tell me if you agree with Trump? Or you don't know?
     
  5. AlphaOmega

    AlphaOmega Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jan 10, 2013
    Messages:
    28,747
    Likes Received:
    4,821
    Trophy Points:
    113
    So lefties dont grasp why Russia should be included? To confirm, you believe they should not be included correct?
     
    ButterBalls likes this.
  6. Sandy Shanks

    Sandy Shanks Banned

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2016
    Messages:
    26,679
    Likes Received:
    6,470
    Trophy Points:
    113
    What a jumbled mass of issues. Clearly, you don't want to deal with what the article said.

    You are even evading your own position on what was said in the article. You won't support Trump. You won't oppose Trump. You won't deal with any of the issues in the article. You don't really say anything. Instead, you incredulously insist this has something to do with the election 18 months ago. That is a remarkably foolish comment to make.

    You must have voted for Trump.

    Tell me, how do you feel about your President's statement? Can you answer that or are you going to continue to avoid the issue?

    If you can't defend Trump, why do you support him?
     
    Bowerbird likes this.
  7. Jestsayin

    Jestsayin Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Aug 1, 2016
    Messages:
    16,798
    Likes Received:
    17,571
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I don't see anything to defend. I voted for Trump and he is performing exactly as I expected him, that is, to piss off, confuse, and rattle the lefties and some righties to their very core. Look what he has done to you.
     
  8. Sandy Shanks

    Sandy Shanks Banned

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2016
    Messages:
    26,679
    Likes Received:
    6,470
    Trophy Points:
    113
    What do lefties have to do with this?

    Another Trump supporter who refuses to deal with Trump's statement. Another supporter who is avoiding the issues raised. Of course, that is a common practice by Trump's followers.

    Did you read the article you responded to? If you had done that, my feelings on the issue are pretty apparent. The questions is: What is your thinking regarding Trump's statement?

    Or are you going to evade the issue again?
     
  9. AlphaOmega

    AlphaOmega Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jan 10, 2013
    Messages:
    28,747
    Likes Received:
    4,821
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Im not avoiding anything you are about to confirm that you believe Russia should not be included so we have it on record. Is that your stance or not? If you dont want to participate in your own thread thats fine. Ill just sort you as a troll and not worthy of my time.
     
    roorooroo and ButterBalls like this.
  10. Sandy Shanks

    Sandy Shanks Banned

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2016
    Messages:
    26,679
    Likes Received:
    6,470
    Trophy Points:
    113
    "I don't see anything to defend. I voted for Trump and he is performing exactly as I expected him."

    "Now, I love our Country." That is in serious doubt. Trump is isolating our country from our friends with his policies. He is making enemies of our friends while at great cost to our country's prestige and respect in the world combined with his enormous naiveté and incompetence, he is trying make friends of our enemies, primarily Putin, Xi, and Kim. Trump is particularly fond of Putin. He has called Putin and Xi friends while labeling the communist dictator of North Korea who murdered his uncle and brother an "honorable man." These are not the actions of a President who loves his country. These are the actions of a President who is doing the bidding of a hostile foreign power.

    "I have been Russia's worst enemy." That is simply a bald-faced lie. It is a common tactic for Trump. When there is a political fact that is detrimental to his administration, Trump lies. He says the very opposite is true, black is white. That tactic has become a daily practice for Trump and his erstwhile supporters. In this case, Trump has not even clearly blamed Russia for interfering in our nation. He has blamed Russia "along with others," including a "400-poound man." He has made a joke of a serious threat to our democracy. He has not taken steps to prevent Russian from doing it again. He has sanctioned individual Russians not named Putin, but that is just for show.

    "Whether you like it or not, and it may not be politically correct, but we have a world to run." That is an extremely deceptive and naive statement to make. The clown does not even know this is not an issue of political correctness. This is an issue that involves a geopolitical fact. Russia illegally invaded Ukraine, illegally annexed Crimea, continues its illegal practice of threatening eastern Ukraine, and Russia should be punished for these illegal acts.

    Instead, our President wants to reward Russia. "They should let Russia come back in."

    I wonder how many Russian sympathizers we have on this forum who will side with Trump and Putin on this issue.

    Well, we know of at least one.
     
  11. Jestsayin

    Jestsayin Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Aug 1, 2016
    Messages:
    16,798
    Likes Received:
    17,571
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Let's bomb the ****ers.
    Happy now?
     
    ButterBalls likes this.
  12. Sandy Shanks

    Sandy Shanks Banned

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2016
    Messages:
    26,679
    Likes Received:
    6,470
    Trophy Points:
    113
    My position is a part of the record. Yours is not.

    And you continue to avoid stating your position. Are you embarrassed about your position?
     
  13. Sandy Shanks

    Sandy Shanks Banned

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2016
    Messages:
    26,679
    Likes Received:
    6,470
    Trophy Points:
    113
    "I don't see anything to defend. I voted for Trump and he is performing exactly as I expected him."

    Putin is quite pleased with Trump's performance as well.
     
  14. dairyair

    dairyair Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 20, 2010
    Messages:
    78,717
    Likes Received:
    19,868
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    What war with Russia?
    Who said anything about a war?

    Just said we should stick with allies, not piss off allies.
    You want a war with our allies?
     
    Last edited: Jun 8, 2018
  15. AlphaOmega

    AlphaOmega Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jan 10, 2013
    Messages:
    28,747
    Likes Received:
    4,821
    Trophy Points:
    113
    no it isnt. Your position doesnt state whether or not you think Russia should not be a participant. You just bash Trump and nothing more. I am trying to get you to factually state your position for the record. Then we can discuss why Russia should be involved. I doubt you can discuss it without TDSing back to Trump. Prediction. You wont be able to.
     
  16. thinkitout

    thinkitout Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2014
    Messages:
    4,897
    Likes Received:
    1,273
    Trophy Points:
    113
    "Russia's worst nightmare"????????

    Putin and Trump seem to have formed an exclusive "mutual admiration society". . . . Instead of nightmares, Putin has pleasant dreams at night, feeling self-satisfied at how easily he is able to maneuver his puppet Trump. All he has to do is to feed his massive ego by lavishing praise on him, such as concerning Trump's "brave and mature" decision to meet with Kim, and Trump is putty in his hands.

    . . . . Or does Putin have ANOTHER controlling influence over him???. . . . Hmmm.

    Maybe we'll find out, if Trump doesn't fire the FBI and the Justice Department.
     
    Last edited: Jun 8, 2018
  17. Sandy Shanks

    Sandy Shanks Banned

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2016
    Messages:
    26,679
    Likes Received:
    6,470
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Can you imagine this? Never in my life, not even in my worst dreams, could I imagine the President of the United States being the pariah at a meeting of Western allies plus Japan, another extremely valuable ally. But this has happened with Trump as our President.

    LA MALBAIE, Quebec (AP) -- Bruising for a fight, President Donald Trump barreled into the Group of Seven summit Friday, eager to confront longtime U.S. allies over a burgeoning trade dispute and insisting Russia should be brought back into the fold.

    Trump joined the leaders of major industrialized nations in an idyllic Canadian resort town after days of escalating conflict over new U.S. tariffs he slapped on imports of steel and aluminum. Facing pointed criticism from increasingly disillusioned allies, he punched back, uncowed by the growing global outcry.

    Over the course of his presidency, Trump has inflamed allies with his isolationist policies, including withdrawing the U.S. from the Paris climate accord and the international Iran-nuclear agreement. Under Trump, the United States has abandoned its traditional role in the G-7 as an advocate for freer global trade, instead pushing more protectionist policies.

    "The rules-based international order is being challenged, not by the usual suspects but by its main architect and guarantor: the United States," said European Council President Donald Tusk.

    Relations have hit such a low point that a key question now is whether the seven countries can agree on a joint statement of priorities at the conclusion of the meeting. French President Emmanuel Macron said Thursday on Twitter, "The American President may not mind being isolated, but neither do we mind signing a 6 country agreement if need be."


    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/under-fire-over-tariffs-trump-054849050.html

    Contrary to my worst dreams, Putin, in his wildest dreams, never envisioned this would happen, and he is enormously pleased. With Trump, Putin is getting his money's worth.

    So far, Trump's followers agree with Putin.
     
    Sallyally likes this.
  18. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jan 16, 2012
    Messages:
    107,541
    Likes Received:
    34,488
    Trophy Points:
    113
    So America First is against your principles.
     
    ButterBalls likes this.
  19. 61falcon

    61falcon Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 27, 2018
    Messages:
    21,436
    Likes Received:
    12,227
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Dirty Donald believes in not biting the hand that has fed him and paid to elect him as president.First they laundered their money by buying his properties,then they funded his campaign funneling their money through the NRA.
     
  20. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Feb 22, 2016
    Messages:
    42,498
    Likes Received:
    18,630
    Trophy Points:
    113
    @Sandy Shanks you must remember that you are addressing Trump fanatics. You must talk to them in terms of "black" vs "white". Nuances confuse them greatly. Their brain is not built to handle such complexity.
     
  21. Sandy Shanks

    Sandy Shanks Banned

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2016
    Messages:
    26,679
    Likes Received:
    6,470
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Thank you. I keep forgetting that.
     
  22. Dayton3

    Dayton3 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 3, 2009
    Messages:
    25,310
    Likes Received:
    6,668
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Another Sandy Shanks thread about how much he hates President Trump. What are we up to now? About 20? 30? 40?

    I remember when Russia annexed Crimea and people such as myself complained about it and wanted a strong response from the U.S.

    What did we get from all the leftists and moderates?

    Lectures about how it was

    1) An internal matter
    2) How Crimea didn't really belong to Ukraine
    3) How Crimea had really been "gifted" to Ukraine by a drunken Khruschev.
    4) What did we want to do? Start a war.
     
    ButterBalls likes this.
  23. Sandy Shanks

    Sandy Shanks Banned

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2016
    Messages:
    26,679
    Likes Received:
    6,470
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Clearly, Russia was interested in getting involved in the 2016 election on Trump's behalf as this email indicates. It is the first email sent by Donald Trump, Jr.'s friend, Rob Goldstone. The series of emails between Rob and Junior set up the June 2016 meeting between Trump's son, son-in-law, campaign manager and representatives of the Russian government. The email says in part:

    "The Crown prosecutor of Russia met with his father Aras this morning and in their meeting offered to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father.

    This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump - helped along by Aras and Emin."

    Now we have Trump's statement from today. “Now, I love our country. I have been Russia’s worst nightmare . . . . But with that being said, Russia should be in this meeting,” Trump said Friday as he left the White House. “Whether you like it or not, and it may not be politically correct, but we have a world to run . . . . They should let Russia come back in.”

    Similar to many of Trump's statements, this one is filled with lies and deception, but that is not the point. The point is, Russia illegally invaded Ukraine, illegally annexed Crimea, continues its illegal practice of threatening eastern Ukraine, and Russia should be punished for these illegal acts.

    Instead, our President wants to reward Russia. "They should let Russia come back in."

    Putin and Trump are a team. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out this began during the election.
     
  24. Sandy Shanks

    Sandy Shanks Banned

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2016
    Messages:
    26,679
    Likes Received:
    6,470
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Now to the article you are responding to. You didn't say anything about it. I guess you can't dispute anything in it.

    Wise choice.

    The reason I keep writing about Trump is because he comes up with a new screw-up every day. Many times, multiple screw-ups on one day. You seem to blame me. Hey, man, I'm just reporting his screw-ups. He's the one making them. Complain to Trump. We know my article is accurate.

    “Now, I love our country. I have been Russia’s worst nightmare . . . . But with that being said, Russia should be in this meeting,” Trump said Friday as he left the White House. “Whether you like it or not, and it may not be politically correct, but we have a world to run . . . . They should let Russia come back in.”

    Can you at least tell me how you feel about that statement? Or are you just avoiding the issue much like Trump's fans?

    I'll stop writing about Trump when he stops screwing up. Now that's fair.
     
  25. Spooky

    Spooky Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Nov 29, 2013
    Messages:
    31,814
    Likes Received:
    13,377
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Just to be clear here.

    If Trump is siding with Putin wouldn't that make Russia our closest ally?
     
    ButterBalls likes this.

Share This Page