“San Jose could set a precedent by requiring gun insurance”

Discussion in 'Current Events' started by archives, Jan 25, 2022.

  1. Talon

    Talon Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Dec 4, 2008
    Messages:
    46,665
    Likes Received:
    26,222
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Absolutely true:

    the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

    UNCONSTITUTIONAL

    Yes, you can regulate, but no you cannot infringe.

    First of all, it will never be implemented because it's unconstitutional.

    Secondly, even if it did, it won't stop criminals from acquiring guns and committing gun crimes.

    As I noted earlier, if Lefties genuinely want to curb gun violence, I suggest they stop coddling criminals and attacking their police departments and start doing something about the disastrous consequences of the social welfare programs they enacted in the 1960s.
     
    Last edited: Jan 26, 2022
  2. archives

    archives Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 11, 2016
    Messages:
    4,947
    Likes Received:
    3,711
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Same absolutism is conveyed regarding everything in the First Amendment, yet all of those rights are, and have pretty much always been, regulated. You also should take the time to examine the history of the prefatory clause to the Amendment, the Founding Fathers put it there for a distinct purpose
     
  3. archives

    archives Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 11, 2016
    Messages:
    4,947
    Likes Received:
    3,711
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Sure it does, it notes the fact, even Scalia recognized it in the Heller case

    Not interested in ping ponging semantics, if you have no content relevant to the topic don't bother
     
  4. ButterBalls

    ButterBalls Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 2, 2016
    Messages:
    51,199
    Likes Received:
    37,533
    Trophy Points:
    113
    LOL, and not interested in facts or answering simple questions either ;)
     
  5. archives

    archives Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 11, 2016
    Messages:
    4,947
    Likes Received:
    3,711
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Never said anyone had a constitutional right to drive a car, rather, that guns, which Constitutionally can be regulated, should be regulated in a similar manner

    And "it's unconstitutional to put a unreasonable restriction or financial burden to exercise a right" is not true, in most communities, if not all, you have to pay to obtain a permit to assemble to demonstrate other other purposes in large numbers
     
  6. archives

    archives Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 11, 2016
    Messages:
    4,947
    Likes Received:
    3,711
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Appears you didn't process the "content relevant to the topic," nothing further I can do about that
     
  7. ButterBalls

    ButterBalls Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 2, 2016
    Messages:
    51,199
    Likes Received:
    37,533
    Trophy Points:
    113
    LMAO, I see you still haven't come up with a spin/answer to the most basic and easy question even after TWENTY FOUR HOURS to think about it LOLOLOL
     
  8. archives

    archives Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 11, 2016
    Messages:
    4,947
    Likes Received:
    3,711
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Does it really make a difference to the 30,000+ dead if the weapon was obtained legally or illegally? And as we know, the majority of mass shootings were committed by one of those considered "good guys with a gun" right up to the moment they opened fire
     
  9. archives

    archives Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 11, 2016
    Messages:
    4,947
    Likes Received:
    3,711
    Trophy Points:
    113
    No, that's easy, they stand a lesser chance down the road of being killed going to the mall, theater, grocery store, church, school, spa, bowling alley, concert event, or just showing up for work
     
  10. archives

    archives Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 11, 2016
    Messages:
    4,947
    Likes Received:
    3,711
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Never said anyone had a constitutional right to drive a car, rather, that guns, which Constitutionally can be regulated, should be regulated in a similar manner
    Well then you better start mobilizing against your local Government amongst many entities cause they all regulate constitutional rights, again, no Constitutional right is absolute, never have been
     
  11. archives

    archives Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 11, 2016
    Messages:
    4,947
    Likes Received:
    3,711
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Amazing how many who advocate "gun rights" have little understand of what a right actually is, for the umpteenth time, no Constitutional right is absolute, none have never been, and all are regulated, always have been, guns are no different

    More than half, and yes insurance would help, the homeowner might night have that gun if he had to fork over the extra bucks for the liability insurance, all about numbers and access
     
  12. archives

    archives Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 11, 2016
    Messages:
    4,947
    Likes Received:
    3,711
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Can't, geography makes it pretty impossible, besides, there are major cultural, historical, and social differences that would prevent such, but if they did, and eventually withdrew, what remained would decline rapidly
     
  13. apexofpurple

    apexofpurple Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 6, 2018
    Messages:
    5,552
    Likes Received:
    7,641
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I mean, obviously not to the people who wrote this bill or to you. I think would be funny to see what the precedent of a law like this would lead to. Of course this one will be overturned by courts but if it were to stand I imagine all sorts of things it could lead to. I mean, if we're allowed to tax the rights of gun owners because of what criminals do then we could tax the rights of protesters for what rioters do. That would be interesting wouldn't it? Taxing BLM during the day for what they do during the night LoL!
     
  14. Doofenshmirtz

    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2016
    Messages:
    28,014
    Likes Received:
    19,305
    Trophy Points:
    113
    How?
     
  15. archives

    archives Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 11, 2016
    Messages:
    4,947
    Likes Received:
    3,711
    Trophy Points:
    113
    By going there
     
  16. cd8ed

    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2011
    Messages:
    41,822
    Likes Received:
    32,492
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Can felons buy guns?
    Minors?
    Any kind of gun?
     
    Last edited: Jan 26, 2022
    mdrobster likes this.
  17. archives

    archives Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 11, 2016
    Messages:
    4,947
    Likes Received:
    3,711
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Don't know how many times it has to be spelled out, a good deal of those people you call criminals, especially the ones circulating in your environment, were "good guys with guns" right up to the moment they pulled the trigger, ain't ever recall hearing about a gangbanger or gangster wannbe shooting up a mall, theater, school, spa, church, places of employment, concerts, etc

    And I do believe people arrested for rioting pay a lot more than a twenty five dollar fee
     
  18. Doofenshmirtz

    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2016
    Messages:
    28,014
    Likes Received:
    19,305
    Trophy Points:
    113
    It appears you did not think your position through. Please describe how gun insurance benefits law abiding citizens.

    Absolutely. Every felon that wants a gun, has one already. Minors are getting guns as well. I was robbed at gun point by minors.
     
  19. Doofenshmirtz

    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2016
    Messages:
    28,014
    Likes Received:
    19,305
    Trophy Points:
    113
    You are far from correct. Good guys with guns do not become criminals. CCW holders are not turning into killers and they do save lives.
     
  20. cd8ed

    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2011
    Messages:
    41,822
    Likes Received:
    32,492
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    This is a discussion on legal issues so my question was framed on that premise.

    If you want to discuss the proliferation of uncontrolled weapons in the US and why that demands sensible gun regulations we can.
     
  21. archives

    archives Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 11, 2016
    Messages:
    4,947
    Likes Received:
    3,711
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Right, Stephen Paddock, a model citizen, legal gun owner, right up till the moment he pulled the first trigger
     
    mdrobster likes this.
  22. archives

    archives Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 11, 2016
    Messages:
    4,947
    Likes Received:
    3,711
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Already have, probably a dozen times now, getting tedious repeating the same facts over and over again
     
  23. JET3534

    JET3534 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2014
    Messages:
    13,350
    Likes Received:
    11,517
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Sensible gun control for liberals means people like Mike Bloom Berg are protected by armed guards, people with money and influence can get carry permits, and the little people are denied their 2nd Amendment rights. My challenge to libs. Repeal the 1nd Amendment. Put that on your party platform in the next Presidential election.
     
  24. Doofenshmirtz

    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2016
    Messages:
    28,014
    Likes Received:
    19,305
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Sweeping generalization fallacies do not nullify facts. CCW holders do not turn into killers. How would gun insurance have prevented this?

    I can imagine how tedious it is to make laws that give killers an unfair advantage while claiming to value human life. Gun control is not from a position of concern for human life.
     
  25. Doofenshmirtz

    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2016
    Messages:
    28,014
    Likes Received:
    19,305
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I realize that you want us to ignore the facts I posted.
     

Share This Page