“Trump pushes State, Local leaders to reopen schools in Fall”

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    President Donald Trump on Tuesday launched an all-out effort pressing state and local officials to reopen schools this fall, arguing that some are keeping schools closed not because of the risks from the coronavirus pandemic but for political reasons.“

    “They think it’s going to be good for them politically, so they keep the schools closed,” Trump said at a White House discussion on school plans for the fall. “No way. We’re very much going to put pressure on governors and everybody else to open the schools.”

    “At the White House event, Trump repeated his claim that Democrats want to keep schools closed for political reasons and not health reasons. He made the same claim on Twitter a day before, saying: “They think it will help them in November. Wrong, the people get it!”

    “Trump offered no evidence for the allegation, which has been criticized by health experts who say politicizing the issue will make it harder to work toward reopening schools”

    https://apnews.com/be1ed8b75986393fe0385cae85b6a6c8

    Has anyone seen or heard any Democrat anywhere come out and say definitively that all schools should stay closed in September?

    Here we have typical Trump, taking an important issue and rather than looking for solutions that benefit all he is defining it as political thinking it will benefit him personally regardless of the consequences. We have just seen how his strategy has worked out in Florida, Arizona, and Texas, and here he is doing it again, except this time it involves children

    The last line says it all, “Trump offered no evidence for the allegation, which has been criticized by health experts who say politicizing the issue will make it harder to work toward reopening schools”
     
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    Who knows, at this point, what the truth is about Covid... so much conflicting information would tend to make one think that for some reason, people do not want the truth of covid exposed.. the ol' heap on the BS until you confuse everyone strategy... used almost exclusively by the Left.
    I realised, at one point, that all the precautins I already took to avoid the flu work just fine.. I DO wear the mask because I prefer to keep others in their comfort level.. and I do like the plexiglass between me and my clients.. and I do Thank covid for giving me an excuse for putting it up.
    Kids need to go back to school.. the consequnces of keeping them out of school is worse than the chance of dying of the virus... which trhe latest news (not on your news channels, but available) is that the death rate has plummeted
     
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    I think everyone keeping the situation pending is a good idea. I can't judge either way but I feel like it's a net negative if schools open as far as covid, but a net positive for the kids.

    For some kids online learning is a total flop, for others, they think we should have been doing this long before covid.

    Going back 30 years, but I would have absolutely crushed online learning Vs being the B- student I was in the 80s.
     
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    "Based on death certificate data, the percentage of deaths attributed to pneumonia, influenza or COVID-19 (PIC) decreased from 9.0% during week 25 to 5.9% during week 26, representing the tenth week of a declining percentage of deaths due to PIC."

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    Plainly the number of physician visits is far down from the 2020 week 12 peak and under the baseline. (jay runner)

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    Hospitalization rates have increased very little since the sinful Memorial Day weekend. (jay runner)

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    Deaths are far down from the April 2020 peak, back down almost to normal seasonal baseline and down at epidemic threshold, not pandemic threshold. (jay runner)

    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/covidview/index.html

    Risk is very, very extremely low. (jay runner)

    Open the schools and let kids get education again.
     
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    So if there is “so much conflicting evidence” as you say isn’t the solution to look for rational solutions rather than immediately making it erroneously political thereby muddling the difficulties involved?
     
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    Now you are aware that Fauci, the specialist responsible for the data you posted above, has come out and point blank said that focusing on the number of deaths is a “false narrative,” and could cause more damage in addressing the problem?

    We all known one can frame statistics just about anyone one wants, and to conclude the virus is “harmless” so we should send kids to school is inane

    But the topic is Trump making it political, which only makes finding a good solution all that more difficult
     
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    That's why I didn't focus on death rates declining only.

    Cheese buses are getting prepped and schools are opening here. We can replace existing teachers with people who have degrees in other fields if the teachers fail to teach here.
     
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    I think, at this point, Trump needs to keep his beak out of this. He has abdicated responsibility to the states - and has shown no interest in working with them - so he needs to stop all the political BS and let each do what they think is right.
     
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    Your State doesn’t require State teaching certification?

    Hard to believe anyone can force kids to keep masks on and maintain distancing, at any level, plus the school they return to will not resemble the school the left in the Spring

    Lot of questions that have to be resolved, and to return to the initial point, which is the exact reason Trump should not be making it political
     
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    I agree, but the Left politicizes everything. And I believe one of my points was, how can you make a rational decision with all of the conflicting information? One thing I know is that a majority of the population will eventually be exposed to Covid, it is the nature of viruses,
     
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    And lose an opportunity to make it all about him, not in him, regardless of the consequences
     
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    It is not the left who is making opening schools political, it is Trump

    And perhaps you are correct, but there is no reason given the consequences to expose everyone prior to discovering treatments and vaccines, especially children
     
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    I hate whataboutisms, but I can't help myself. How can you assert that the left is politicizing everything when Trump has blatantly politicized this issue?

    As for conflicting information - I agree. From the start, we have had changes of protocols about the virus. But I see it as evolving information rather than conflicting information. What we are being told today - by medical experts - is based upon their growing knowledge of the virus. So to say that masks were discouraged in the beginning but now found to be effective is conflicting information is wrong headed. Look at it as evolving information based upon experience.
     
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    Ok.. your opinions noted.
     
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    That's normal, teaching certificates required. But if there is a shortage or a strike many people with degrees qualify as replacements. They then have to take some teaching courses to hold their place in the classroom.

    The kids are swarming all over each other now on playgrounds and sandlots and bowling alleys and arcades and pontoon boats now without masks. That's how they build immunity to many diseases -- down in the mud, and dirt, and swamp water and sweat, and some bloody abrasions and cuts.

    It's only the teachers, teaching assistants, administrators, bus drivers, cafeteria workers, etc., and the old folks at home who need the masks.
     
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    Has he or his government come up with a detailed plan of how to accomplish the return to the classrooms, to minimize sickness and deaths?? One third of our teachers are over 50 years of age nationwide.
     
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    And why do you think that is? Hmmmmmmm, maybe because Children aren't congregating together by the thousands spreading Covid to their parents and grandparents. Nah, the most simple answer couldn't be the actual reason, can it? :roll:
     
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    He should definitely shut down the Dept. of Education and end their meddling, or do you think their involvement would be ok?
     
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    Every school district here is doing this themselves. Finally administrators are earning their pay.
     
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    he has no say in the matter.
     
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    yeah the pandemic response team is on right now
     
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    In May, we all heard Trump define churches or places of worship as 'essential' and demanded they be opened. The result? Not good...


    The New York Times reported:

    Weeks after President Trump demanded that America’s shuttered houses of worship be allowed to reopen, new outbreaks of the coronavirus are surging through churches across the country where services have resumed. The virus has infiltrated Sunday sermons, meetings of ministers and Christian youth camps in Colorado and Missouri. It has struck churches that reopened cautiously with face masks and social distancing in the pews, as well as some that defied lockdowns and refused to heed new limits on numbers of worshipers.

    https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow...-VS1DHANKE3p5tPpER7f3iQwSV_wkt6vib0bRy2dgNg2k

    And CNBC reported:
    • Contact tracers in rural Arkansas discovered “widespread transmission” within a church that spilled over into the surrounding community, a new study published by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention says.
    • The outbreak shows that churches and other faith-based organizations and events could be sources of spread and underscore the need for community leaders to modify services as states ease restrictions.
    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/19/cdc...ch-raising-alarm-on-religious-gatherings.html


    So, is Trump really the guy we should look to for decisions about reopening schools? Track record says NO!
     
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    I think he should leave it to the Governors - as he said he would. They can work with their depts of education to determine what is best for the schools in their state. Florida, California, Arizona and Texas will certainly have different views than those states in the NE.
     
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    The POTUS still doesn't realize the CoronaVirus is not political.
     
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    I'm pretty sure having kids in school in the fall is racist.

    Schools need to be dismantled & put in museums where they belong.

    Trump and DeVos saying that schools should teach rather than receiving money not to teach?

    Outrageous and racist.
     
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