“You are all unbelievers, I’ll kill you” – Two Islamist knife attacks in France

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  1. Margot2

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    Pickthal is the most true to the Arabic.
     
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    Religion isn't the only place with dogma and ideology. What is dangerous is when people hold beliefs without proper critical thinking and evidence, and this can definitely happen without religion. Religion is extra dangerous because it encourages and rewards dogmatic critical thinking. At least with many communists, they have arguments and reasons for their beliefs, and they just have reasoning that you just disagree with. No amount of reason or logic is going to move a religious person if he believes that is what his religious book says.
     
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    And how is there an interpretation issue here.

    There is a contradiction, because Muhammed was the first to violate raiding in the holy months.
    One of the reasons Ramadan is a danger to all today.
     
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    LOLOLOL

    Bullsh-t.
     
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    That's what Arabs tell me. Do you read Arabic?
     
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    But its all based on interpretation. If you interpret the Koran literally and focus on some of the verses, that is extremely dangerous, especially with religious dogmatic belief. The same goes for the bible. The bible has a lot of sketchy verses too which are extremely dangerous when interpreted literally. For me the biggest problem isn't the book you believe in but the dogmatic faith that is the problem.
     
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    Where were you during Ramadan? What did you do every year?
     
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    The issue with Islam is that the Qur'an itself is jibberish, and can be manipulated into many directions by a fast talking cleric.
    The sunnah is written plain as day, and graphically describes Islam's rise to power.
    Most muslims, (the mindless sheep) are confined to the Qur'an, and what their leaders tell them it means.
     
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    LOLOL

    The Arabs don't use an English translation.

    don't you think before you regurgitate.
     
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    The same goes for the bible. It was written over thousands of years by a large variety of people with certain viewpoints. Some of the verses are good, and some are bad. These verses and be interpreted and used by some and their leaders to do very harmful things with this delusional dogmatic zeal. I think vagueness in religious books makes them even more dangerous.
     
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    I understand what you are saying, but Islam is different,
    We can take the insanities from the Judio/Christian text, and put them all together to write one chapter of crazy.

    Islam has volumes, many volumes, of graphic robbery sex and murder.
    In Muhammeds Bio, in 80% of the writings he is robbing, raping, or killing someone.
    And none of the writings are up for interpretation, they say exactly what they mean.
    He is the main character in a religion, a religion you are forced into from birth.

    Muhammed was a murderer, thief, rapist, slave trader, torturer.
    Jesus, for example, was none of these.

    Then you compare praying 5 times a day.

    If you pray to your car 5 times a day, you will brainwash yourself.
     
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    Actually we can write more than one chapter of crazy, we can write a while book of crazy from the bible. Check out the Skeptic's annotated bible. The koran is definitely worse than the bible, but the only difference is degree and the quantity of dangerous verses. The similarity is both of their unfailing devotion to dogmatic belief. The reality is that a moderate Christian has no real way of refuting a radical Christian or Muslim because they are often interpreting the books they have faith in reasonably.
     
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    Now here is something you are saying that is more common than you would think..
    You are comparing the Qur'an, with the entire bible and calling it Christian.

    Christianity is the new covenant, and there are only 3 or 4 controversial verses.
    Even the Jewish OT, and the 613 laws of Moses, is not followed by the Jews anymore.

    In Islam the Qur'an is only 14% of the text.
    Remember, they have Muhammed.

    The Quran contains little information, but does confirm much of the info in the sunnah.

    The sunnah is volumes and volumes of murderous BS.
    Not just a passing verse, but graphic explanations of torture, murder, thievery, sex. in volumes of text.
    How the booty is split, who gets the women, who gets what land, more or less money, who gets killed, etc.
     
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    Well actually the Jews still follow the law of Moses, it depends on the sect and how they literally interpret. Most of the bad things in the old testament aren't part of the Law of Moses specifically, but that doesn't stop many Christians from quoting the law of Moses when attacking gays. This shows the danger of ideology, when even some of these harmful teachings are set aside, some will still refer and use them. And don't forget that the new testament has lots of crazy too, enough for several chapters. The bible has entire books devoted to a Hebrew society that commits genocide in the same of religion and sets up a totalitarian theocracy, and they believe God supported this. The Koran is definitely worse than the bible, but the bible has major problems too.
     
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    The bible has lots of problems, but nowhere near the problems of Islam.
    I don't recall reading that much crazy in the NT.
    ( I mean violent crazy), the whole thing is crazy.
    Jews and Christians don't have stoning's anymore.
    Muslims have them almost daily. etc
    We have radical Christian sects, like Westboro Baptist, screaming, death to f-gs.
    But do they actually kill anyone.

    Extremist Christians are annoying

    Extremist Muslims kill people.
     
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    Yes... all Muslims are robbers and killers.
    Shows how utterly biased and discriminatory you are.
     
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    Most Saudis are fluent in English and Arabic.. and many are also fluent in French.

    My teacher was fluent in English, Arabic and Amharic.
     
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    There are no stonings in KSA.. Didn't you know that?
     
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    Extremist Christians kill
    The KKK is one Christian group, you got them people killing people working at abortion centers,.. maybe look up Army of God. Eastern Lightning, The Lord resistance army and other Christian militias in Africa slaughter around as well.
     
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    When you say gamer do you mean someone who stares at a computer screen playing violent video games with every waking hour. Then cannot distinguish real life from a video game?
     
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    Why does Europe commit suicide !!!
    Why
    Because their Bolshevik leaders only care about voting power and $$$$
     
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    Rip- Germany, UK and France!! And Sweden
     
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    Islam does not belong , nor can exist , with Western values
     
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