10% of the population has an IQ lower than 83, what this means

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  1. xwsmithx

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    Teenagers, as previously noted. It's worth noting, too, that hereditability of IQ actually goes UP from age 5 to 18, so that the young adult's IQ is much closer to his parents' IQ than it was as a child.
     
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    You should et a statistician to explain the vulnerabilities of anecdotal evidence and small sample size.
     
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    1) no it doesn't. it is a limited resource, and depends upon uniformity of delivery to reach as many students as possible. if you want hand tailored teaching, homeschool.

    2) because it's the only system that actually works. parents have 5 years to ready their children for the rules, regs, and teaching style of school. those who fail to do so, or who do not work WITH the system to ensure their kids are educated well (ie, parents who think their kids are special, and/or lazy parents), are solely responsible for their children's failure.
     
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    Education goals are the PARENTS' responsibility, not schools. Schools need do nothing more than to provide the tools. It's on parents to do the rest ... before, during, and after the school years. It's frankly absurd, and extremely elitist, to demand that schools cater to and spoon feed individuals.
     
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    Great post!
     
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    Except that the current generation appears to be the least able to live it. Our modern western form being the solid and stable family unit, with all members pulling their own weight within that unit.
     
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    :roflol::roflol::roflol:you have noticed??? :roflol::roflol::roflol:wow there's hard objective science in action!

    there is no correlation between brain size and intelligence within a species NONE! if I ask my Neurologist buddy that question his answer will be :roll::roflol::roflol:

    your neurocranium where the brain sits is done growing when you're a child, at that point the brain can't grow in size...but your face can grows and changes throughout your life, are you saying you have brains in your face :shock:

    Einstein as common point of reference for brain size was smaller than the average male brain in weight at 1230 gms the average being 1,330 gms ...according to your astounding intellect Einstein was on the low end of intelligence and at least half of today's male population was smarter than him...

    next you'll try tell us men are smarter than women because they have bigger brains...and white and asians are smarter than dark skinned people

    yeah you shouldn't be taking part in a discussion on iq other than reading and learning from your betters...
     
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    isn't that why America elected a Reality TV star



    eugenics is pretty Hitlerish imo, so lets not go there, and let's hope they do not go there
     
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    you missed the problem. reread your post. in my experience dietary managers have bigger penises, but believe it or not, experts won't buy it as fact despite the fact I am one and have seen many. they want a study with measurements, definitions, and a credible sample size, and they don't want me to do it with my bias. trust me, I have asked..
     
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    False, false, false, true, and true. There is a correlation between brain size and intelligence, and every study done to date has found it. The fact that your cranium cannot grow in size is a good indication that your IQ is limited at birth by your genetics: smaller brain case, smaller IQ limit. Einstein is a single data point and cannot prove or disprove the correlation. That's a failure to understand the nature of statistics. Men are smarter than women, by about five IQ points. Whites and Asians are smarter than dark skinned people, by anywhere from 10 to 35 IQ points, depending on population. Not taking part in a discussion on IQ when yours is quite low would be a better idea.
     
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    IQ is tested at various times. Adults can be tested, as can kids.
     
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    brain size and Iq...no correlation none, try read a source less than 50 yrs old and not written by a misogynistic racist..

    einstein a single data point lol...and half of the species being women, that's also a single data point?...whereas your "scientific" observances lol that people get bigger heads as they get smarter :roflol: is hard core scientific data! lol...

    you've got nothing but misogyny, racism and and a huuuuge! dose of Dunning-Kruger ..

    pure comedy....
     
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    Okay what if a child of yours due to an issue say lack of oxygen to the brain, had an IQ of 83, so had major issues and likely wouldn't be able to complete High School under a standard diploma and more education formally would likely be pointless?

    You're fortunate but for me my mental issues made school very hard and I barely graduated and since then my school upped the requirements a lot I wouldn't have graduated under the current standards likely failing mathematics.
     
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    where I live we have special needs schools for kids with learning disabilities, the goal is to get them to level where they can function as independent adults...not everyone can be smart but we can all be useful...they get enough math to earn them a HS certification....

    we have different levels of math requirements, both recognized for High School graduation...one is (Pure Math) for Uni qualification the other(Basic) for mainly for technical/trade schools although there are Uni majors that do not require the advanced math level...so there would be a path here for you to graduate HS

    when I was in high school I struggled with math (it didn't help that I detested math) at that time there were three levels and in Grade 10 I dropped to the easiest level because I wasn't intending to go to Uni I only wanted to get through HS...entering grade 12 I had a change of heart and decided I should give Uni a try and to take up the advanced math classes... with the schools help I got one on one tutoring with a school math teacher and picked up my grade 10 advanced math, then my grade 11...I then came back for an extra year of HS to complete the grade 12 math and other optional classes required for Uni entrance that I omitted ...I always struggled with math but with extra help(great teachers who cared) I got through it.
     
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    just to add to above post...some technical college programs also require higher math levels but not the same proficiency....my son enrolled in cyber security at a technical college and he needed his advanced math but not as high a grade average as his cousin who is in Uni in computer science, the technical college required a minimum 3.3 gpa and the Uni a 3.8 gpa
     
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    African Grey parrots.
     
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    within the species

    comparing an african grey to a chicken or anything else other than another African Grey isn't relevant...humans do not have the largest brain sperm whales have 5 times the size of brains vs humans, but there isn't any doubt humans are more intelligent...it's the internal structure of the brain that is important, not it's size
     
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    It wouldn't matter as much if our leadership had not been hellbent to export the jobs of our average or lower workers since the 80s.
     
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    I'm not trying to be an ass, I am big on disabled rights being disabled and low natural IQ to be an obstacle should be a disability now since people who are of low IQ in my mind should have the bar raised so anyone with an IQ under 90 should be deemed special needs the bar right now is I believe 70 which is too low. The modern workplace generally is demanding an IQ 90 (roughly) for lower end work with enough choices to be choices its higher. I have a friend that works at an Amazon fulfillment center and to even box up orders is using technology demanding a more average IQ person. Delivery people to use technology to photo deliveries when delivered and processing information and driving that being independent contract work so then they need to handle their taxes and such as well.

    In a few decades the jobs they can do low end will likely go away stocking shelves, bagging, cleaning floors and maybe some kinds of farm work.
     
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    Public education is quite complex!

    I agree that the parental factor is huge but I dismiss it as a talking point because there is no solution to it. Even kids with affluent parents might have horrible home lives? My position when discussing how to improve public education assumes the parents cannot be counted on for anything. It can be a bonus if they do but there's nothing we can do about those parents who are little help. So my question always is how can schools educate in spite of parents? IMO this means transporting the kids to and from school, providing them nutrition, providing all necessary supplies free, providing free study time, providing social activities, and of course the three R's. Almost like a boarding school except no sleep over.

    Your kids were quite lucky!
     
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    It's quite careless to assume all kids have involved and capable parents??
     
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    You are clueless about the reality in kid's lives? How can you defend an education system when you cannot provide the actual goals? BTW; it's called Public Education...not Parent Education...
     

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