10% of the population has an IQ lower than 83, what this means

I mean, just throwing out more "education" isn't going to solve the problem. We need to make sure that the type of education actually fits the goals.
Unless you were just talking about churning out college diplomas to as many people as possible.

 

fair enough, yes societies need all sorts of education, we can't all be MDs or engineers...in many countries much of the population don't even have primary education let alone secondary or tertiary education and many don't allow or encourage half of their population(girls) to attend school at all...not everyone can go to Uni or wants to, for many a technical/vocational education will do fine...but any upgrade will potentially bring improvement in quality of life for those receiving it...

 

The connection may be that many of these societies don't have the wealth to send all their children to school, and if they did there wouldn't be jobs for them all.

Does it make sense to pay for something unaffordable if it's only going to mean a 1 out of 4 chance of giving their child a much better future? These are difficult decisions parents in poor countries must decide.

 

Bollocks. Diagnostic testing as regards learning has its limits. You failed to understand my POV.

All you did was to suggest that the existing unfair system should remain and nothing be done to assist our youth in enhancing their qualifications by offering the free Tertiary Education.

Which is the reason America is so far behind the rest of the developed world.

Read what you write before rebutting ... !

 

Welcome to Lake Wobegon; where everyone is above average.

 

Well if we were like Iceland we could just abort all the stupid kids similar to how they abort all their Down's syndrome kids. I can't wait till we get to the point where we can test for things like being gay, how intelligent or good looking the child will be, will it have a higher risk of heart disease or will the kid be fat. All sorts of reasons to abort a kid in the future. :/ I don't care if you want to abort your kid but the second you start aborting for any other reason than you just didn't want a child.....the second you decide to abort a kid just because they might be something other than perfect you are no better than a Nazi.

The problem with that is then you lose the bottom 10% and have to move the average IQ, but that is easily solved by just culling the next lowest 10% the next time around.

 

Or we can use genetic science to move the bar up, if we can using science rule out genetic diseases you might as well enhance intelligence and other traits favoring a higher IQ in the bargain or we might develop cybernetic implants to enhance IQ as a simpler option say move IQ up twenty points it would help those with more profound IQ issues and those more intelligent will be brighter still. Who knows for sure?

 

The reason why your point is stupid is that no one has been arguing that diagnostic testing doesn't have limits. It's not perfect and no one is claiming it is. You commented that, "That diagnostic tool does not exist. You want to characterize/categorize the human being and decide what career everybody should pursue over a lifetime. That aint gonna work."
Again in the real world, diagnostic tools do exist, and they work, although they are not perfect. They are certainly better than nothing, which seems to be your point? No diagnostic testing ever? If so, just come out and say so. Otherwise, stop making dishonest remarks.

I argued no such thing. The US doesn't have that system. Or at least not much of one. That system is much more prevalent in your precious Europe.

Look, I don't mind arguing with inferior minds, because even they can learn something, but I don't like arguing with dishonest ones. If you are going to falsely mischaracterize my comments, expect to be called on it.

 

Stick to the topic if someone has a dull mind, say an IQ of 80, and the person is from a good family and well fed and safe and in a decent school and its clear they are dull minded what are we supposed to do with them? The ARMY won't take them even in war times its illegal under Federal Law after they figured people dull minded too much but not mentally retarded can't be trained to do anything even a basic rifleman. So what about civilian work what can they do farm labor, manual labor without much skill needed and similar very low skill working when in the modern and advancing society even working in a fast food restaurant takes a decent mental flexibility and quality. That is the only consideration not more education since they are likely not going to benefit much or background since save for some cases of pockets of extreme poverty most poor people compared to fifty years ago are far better off across the board but the lack of mental proficiency largely due to innate limits.

So what are we supposed to do with 15% of the popular largely so dull minded they are effectively never going to hold a decent job with benefits, pay and such to be independent without government service if they can find work at all, its simple enough to focus on.

 

Looks like euthanasia is the only solution.

 

Eugenics should be reserved for those that believe they are god and somehow get a say in another's life. Being you have bought it up, should we start with you?

 

countries that prioritize women in their education and work force do much better than countries that do not, educated women create employment...a countries most valuable asset is it's people deliberately eliminating half of it's workforce is idiotic...and women are generally more productive workers then men..

 

considering the topic of the thread is that surprising...

 

All I know is I went from tying shoelaces to velcro to slip on.

 

Not in construction or prositution..

 

Another that believes they are god, should we put you as number 2 on the list to be euthanized?

Just so you will have a clue. It is but a measure of one's mental age vs their chronological age in relation to their peers. If the mental and chronological age matches, in comparison to others of your age, IQ would be 100. Nothing needs to be "renormed" so other words are irrelevant.

One could take the same test back to back and receive different scores or one could take a different test and get a different score. That is within the realm of the test as is the nature of humans but the scores will always be within a small range.

No 50% does not fall to one side or the other of the median.

Do you ever research a matter before you post foolish data?

 

Most of those in college today are trying to get a high school education, hard to do with all that indoctrination. When one considers that a large part of the teachers were indoctrinated in liberal methodologies, what else can one expect, intelligence?

 

What in the world are you talking about? I was simply explaining the statistics and the premise of IQ tests. I was disagreeing with the OP, as I don't think he has any idea about what IQ tests are, and what they mean. I don't think it's that shocking that 10% of the population has an IQ lower than 83. It's the way the test is designed.

To repost what I had earlier posted, how in the world do you get that I think I'm a god?

 

Wasting your time, where you asked? There are some 30 countries in the world with an average IQ of 70 or less. There are another 85 countries between 71 and 85 average IQ. By your analysis they should not be able to exist with everybody lying around. There is only one country on the African continent that has an average IQ of over 85.

IQ is a measure of cognitive ability, not life ability. There are many people that have led successful and rewarding lives with IQs below average.

 

This is the most intelligent remark I have seen in this thread to this point. The only contention is with "probably" and rights, it is a right.

 

That is not about very low IQ as that would be below 70. The Army just said that persons with IQ of 83 or below would be counterproductive. Counterproductive to what, the mass training of our youth to be murders in ten weeks?

 

Just cognitive ability, but you don't need that, do you?

 

Really, so explain how when the test started the US had a median IQ of 100, now down to 98. In times past the US was ranked 18 in the world, now 24. At the rate this country is going, in another generation the average could well be below 83.

 

What is so great about Europe? Their complete slave mentality?

 

If you have better ideas, post them.