10% of the population has an IQ lower than 83, what this means

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  1. gamewell45

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    Heinrich Himmler would have been proud of you.
     
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    There is no need of any eugenics program. You get that idea having read "1984' where BigBrother knows what's best for mankind?

    Mankind has the brains. We've come a long way in a comparatively short period of time in this universe. But we lack still quality tertiary education at a reasonable cost, especially in America where the comparative price of a Tertiary Education is mind-boggling:
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    America is one of that last developed countries on earth that does not provide government funded low-cost Post-secondary Education.

    Fix that problem and the future in this new Information Age of ours is more secure. Don't fix that problem, and the American way-of-life comes to a screeching halt.

    It's not a smartphone in every hand that makes humans apt at assimilating the know-how and competencies necessary for working/living in the Information Age*.

    In fact, they way it is going, smartphones are dumbing-down people who use them as "play-things" ...

    *We left the Industrial Age in the early 1990s with the advent of the Internet. It is foolish to think that America's job-future is industrial, because it isn't. Barely 12% of all work is in Manufacturing. The overwhelming proportion of work lies in Services, which require an increasing level of intelligence to perform.
     
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    In the States, the annual average taxpayer cost to keep someone in prison is $31,286 per inmate.

    Don't blame everything on the schools and definitely not on teacher salaries. Those who criticize teachers would never consider being a teacher because of the low pay, lack of respect, and difficulty of the job. The problem with educating kids in our society is a social/cultural problem, not the fault of schools or teachers. I know. I've taught in international schools for 14 years with teachers from all over the world. American teachers teach in those schools as much as any other teachers, and are sought after as much as any other teachers from anywhere in the world. As well, the curriculum is essentially the same. Family and parental support is much better in other countries. And respect for teachers is much higher. When you look at the problem of education, instead of pointing the finger at teachers, look inward.
     
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  6. LafayetteBis

    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If a company feels they are a necessary part of any assessment for a job, then fine.

    But people also should be warned beforehand in order to decline the invitation.

    It's not the best way, or even most ideal way, to vet candidates for a job. A résumé should be verifiable, otoh.

    Moreover, that which is capital is a Job Interview given by a professional psychologist. Even an individual totally bonkers could possibly have a damn fine IQ - thus, s/he could still be unfit for a job ...
     
  7. LafayetteBis

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    Poverty-rates also stagnates in a population if given the opportunity. Here's the US's historical poverty-threshold evolution graphic:
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    But when it does - which means the country is doing nothing about the rate - then the total number in poverty rises inexorably.

    Which is what is happening in the US - our history of total poverty in the US since the late 1970s is nothing about which to be proud ....
     
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    "Which is what is happening in the US"

    Maybe it's more accurate to say: has been happening.

    It's too soon to definitively say, but this appears to be changing.
     
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    Look at the history. It lowered before then picked-up again.

    There is no reason whatsoever to find encouragement in that poverty-graphic that goes back more than 40 years. Then ask yourself why we have disregarded that trend.

    Get back to me when you've found a cogent explanation - because I think it is due to a national fixation on just muney-muney-muney and not who is getting the lion's share and who is getting shafted ....
     
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    It goes up to 2015. It shows nothing, positive or negative, about the current trend. More recent employment and economic assistance data appear to be indicating a continued positive trend that started at the tail end of the chart.

    "Get back to me when you've found a cogent explanation - because I think it is due to a national fixation on just muney-muney-muney and not who is getting the lion's share and who is getting shafted ...."

    I am guessing that you just enjoy being angry.
     
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  11. AlNewman

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    So what you are saying by context is that your remarks are just one big joke and not to be taken seriously. I already knew that but just wanted to see to what extent this would go. I have my answer.

    Pointless to go further, you haven't went anywhere or is that just context also?
     
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    Yes, it's a problem. I'd prefer to see funds go towards parental censure. This is where the problems start, and where they are perpetuated.

    After all, we know that funds do absolutely nothing, when applied directly to schools. Without that all-important parental support, you may as well tear up those bills.
     
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    IQ, while theoretically is based on mental age vs. chronological age, is nothing of the sort. It's simply a test designed to rank people's "IQ" based on comparison with other people using a normal distribution.

    There are two main thoughts in education in terms of how IQ is obtained. Basically, those two thoughts are nature--our IQs are inherited, or nurture, our IQs are caused by our environment (i.e. what we are taught, how we are raised, our experiences, etc). While I do recognize that IQ is partly inherited, I think that we should assume (educationally) that nurture is involved in intelligence. We can't do anything to influence genetics in a free country, but we can influence nurture (through assisting parents in providing good experiences for their kids, schools, etc.).

    Anyway, I am not in favor of eugenics in the least, and never have been. It's simply immoral and hasn't ever worked. The heritability of IQ is too low for it to work.
     
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    No, the above that you just wrote is. IQ tests are based on a normal distribution with a mean of 100. If you're getting a mean of 98, then that IQ test is not appropriately testing your population, and should be renormed.
     
  15. LafayetteBis

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    IQ Tests only tell whether rightly that a person is mentally competent.

    That's all. It has very little to do with being "inventive" or "brainy" or "able to think in fascinating new ways". Those are other attributes of the brain and they have little to do with IQ since the tests are not measuring what most believe to be true intelligence.

    I'd call what is being measured "native intelligence".

    From WikiPedia, a definition:
    That bit above that begins with "It can be more generally described as ...". There is no test on earth that can predict or measure this ability in mankind to conceive and innovate.

    And yet the history-of-mankind has proven that such exists manifestly in our species ...
     
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    IMO it would not be against basic rights to require people applying for the dole to provide proof of reliable contraception. This is no more than many taxpayers do when their finances are tight.
     
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    How about can't collect for more than one child unless you have your tubes tied.
    (surgery provided for free, or with a loan that takes 10% out of your future payments)
     
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  18. LafayetteBis

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    Of course it would be against fundamentally Basic Human Rights to do so!

    It would be a basic infringement of their rights to the protection of information relative uniquely to their person. The state has no right whatsoever to exact and record personal information of the kind you suggest.

    Maybe YOU live in North Korea? Most of us on this forum do not ...
     
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    Egregious, a word without meaning derived from the Latin word egregius, meaning "distinguished" or "eminent. In today's world according to Oxford: "e·gre·gious, adjective
    1. outstandingly bad; shocking;
    2. remarkably good.

    A word cannot have two meanings that oppose, nothing but idiotic slang. So your proclamation has no real meaning.

    "Ranking" would be pushing the concept, the concept of Psychology where this all lies. It is not valid as an ability to learn but is useful in helping to determine on an individuals ability to learn unassisted or cognitive ability. What it really shows, a weak mind, low IQ, is easily filled with trash because the ability to determine truth, morality, is beyond the grasp of a weak mind.

    This does not mean a weak minded soul cannot be trained to perform repetitive task like a good little slave.

    Ah, but it should be. Psychological testing has confirmed over time that a minimum of 125 IQ is required to be a successful Master's candidate and 135 for doctoral. Of course in today's world, I would not be surprised to see many holders of these degrees with IQ's barely "average". What does that say for the mechanics of modern indoctrination.

    By the way, Harvard was a Jesuit University over 200 years old in 1776. It was after the Jesuits left that Harvard sold out to the highest bidder. Where big pharma transmuted health to medicine! Where the law school is no longer concerned with law but the dictates of man which they teach as law.

    But Harvard is no different than Yale, Princeton, Duke, Stamford, and these other top choices of indoctrination. But only the chosen are in the club.

    Who is this we? And please point out any education that is taking place. Also, for your edification only the top 1% make any real money. Otherwise it's just people broke at a more comfortable life style.

    Again with the we, who is we? Do you have a mouse in your pocket?

    The 18th century entered as the age of enlightment and exited as the industrial age, a most remarkable age until the end. These united States came about during that period of transition from the philosophy of Aristotle to the decadence of Plato, Kant and Hegel. If these united States had occurred but a scant decade later, the result would not have been the same.
     
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    I just don't buy that IQ tests really mean anything, other than the ability to take tests. (and this isn't just sour grapes, I've got 130+ IQ, or did when I was in the 5th grade, the last time I took an IQ test).
     
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    I have the IQ of a potato but it's a Monsanto potato so it comes out at about 150 ;)
     
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    I can't disagree - but I did worse than you ... ! ;^)
     
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    I hope by debatable you are referring to the part about "rights" and not the comment on "intelligent" post.

    Actually, very few in this forum know anything about debate. To debate one requires knowledge about the subject matter.

    I am a student of many disciplines, history being one near the top of the list. I am very familiar with the antics of both Franklin and Jefferson but Jones was nothing more than a psychopath good at war which I abhor. Franklin was a whore chasing crook along the lines of a Reid or Schumer.

    Jefferson was not that much better. Voltaire I put in that same boat as Locke, Coke and Vattel which is really being a little unfair to Locke.

    If Franklin was involved then the wine and beer must have been flowing freely so I doubt any seeds were flowing. Just the boisterous bragging of drunken sailors.

    By the way, I would say Franklin's most stout contribution to the constitution was in the preamble, "to his prosperity". He sure did take advantage of that. I would suggest one look at that piece of legislation that passed mere months before the constitution was drawn.

    I had dinner in Paris in 1975 on the way to Monaco but on the return trip to Calais had the opportunity to play tourist and see the major attractions before again having dinner. The only travel I have remaining in me is that trip out of this world.
     
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    Education is free, indoctrination costs money. Indoctrination is a fancy best done young, education is forever.
     
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    Thank you for confirming that the US is indeed populated with the ignorant but not nearly as ignorant as all the others. Your source is based on expenditures for medicine, not health. Sort of goes hand in hand with your next claim.

    I believe the US charges way too little as ignorance should be painful. All these little mental slaves running around not only knowing nothing but with expensive little pieces of paper attesting to that fact, especially if that piece of paper honors a liberal arts indoctrination. Not to mention that besides being under-qualified to work at McDonald's, they are paying for the equivalent of a house they will never be able to afford.

    But let's look at the average IQ of these countries:

    United States - 98
    Chile - 90
    Japan - 105
    Canada - 99
    Australia - 98
    South Korea - 106
    New Zealand - 99
    Israel - 95
    Netherlands - 100
    Spain - 98
    Italy - 102
    Portugal - 95

    It would seem that all these countries are within one standard deviation of each other so intelligence can not be said to be a governing factor. So what is? The degree of socialism within that society.

    Now if the socialist in the US had their way, college at least to the associate degree level would be free which would approach the value of that indoctrination.

    The arguments you have offered are not valid indicators of anything other than the gullibility of the population of said countries.
     
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