100% increase of children and teens who want a sex change

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  1. Ritter

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    It is bizarre that six year olds are lining up to have a sex change. Absolutely disgusting and highly atrocious and if you people can't see it, I do not know what the heck is wrong with you!

    Not even teenagers are mature enough, they are hormonal wrecks!
     
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    Yah, but going transgender means you depend for the rest of your life on highly advanced, affordable medicine - hormone treatments, monitoring, keeping the plumbing working, & on & on. It's like a cardiac pacemaker, or going on insulin for diabetes - you're on meds forever. There are real costs & medical implications involved too - is it a best use of the surgical teams, ORs, meds, to intervene surgically in a sexual self-image case?

    Children are too young to understand the commitment they're making - & TMK, there's no turning back. @ the very least, we - the US, the West - should probably implement a minimum age of consent. Anyone going through this process needs a lot of psychological counseling & support, as well as expensive & scarce medical attention for @ least a few years - tailing off (if everything went well) somewhat over time, but the pharmacological support will always be necessary, as far as I know.

    An aging population (in the West, less so in the US for now) means there is/will be - a lot of pressure on how the medical resources are allocated. & the people who voted Trump in are not receptive to the notion of the right to free expensive transgender surgery - which is still right @ the edges of what medical science can do. It will be a very uphill battle, & will take generations.

    Unless we make massive medical breakthroughs in implantable organs, for instance.
     
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    This stuff shouldn't even been considered (hormones/surgeries) until at least 16, preferably 18.
     
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    Possibly even longer than that.
     
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    Yah, & if it's Sweden or one of the other European countries with socialized medicine, there is already political contention for scarce medical resources - drugs, surgical teams, OR time. If the amount being paid in now is dropping steadily - part of the demographic shift in European countries - there is less & less money to pay for increasingly complicated & long-term care.

    The other complication - if lots of Islamic refugees or workers are coming in, they are not going to be pleased to pay for what the rank & file would consider a gender abomination. & long term, the guest workers will settle in, get unionized, get politicized. As working people, they're not going to want to pay for what they likely consider to be profligate, Western expenditures of very scarce goods, for - to their mind - no very good reason.
     
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    - Do you agree that transgender-ism has become a fashion-trend?
    - What do you think is behind the trend of children and teenagers who wish to have a sex change increases so dramatically every year?
    - Do you think it is right that pre-pubescent children and pubertal teens have the right to change their sex?
    - Is this even, in your opinion, worrying at all?


    -I think that it is becoming more popular (as with the gays) its become medically proven as a natural and as transition is necessary for transsex people to live their lives. I think it has become a trend to make up genders and dilute the definitions. Medically speaking Gender is an expression on psychological as it is based in personality. This is why6 saying youre "Gender non-binary" Is repetitive and causes unneeded divisiveness in that it causes stupid debates about irrelevant issues (Bathrooms in NC.) My opinion? Get rid of "Gender." In a post-industrial society expression is a part of human enjoyment and falls under right to happiness. It is beneficial to get rid of barriers that were only needed in a patriarch society that no longer (Debatedly) exists.

    -Teenagers (As a part of American human nature) are rebellious to past generations who deny facts on things regarding to LGBT issues (Most recently.) This has always been the case, from Vietnam war protesters, to anti-iraq protesters, all generations in America form as reactions to another. This can only happen in a superpower hawk nations. So teenagers will be more open to discovering themselves (and like me) realize something they never thought they'd be.

    -Yes, absolutely. Not only will they (in their teens) be more susceptible to effects of gender Dysphoria (A DSM-V diagnosis of distress.) Blocking puberty has many benefits, and According to the Endocrine society, blockers are safe and harmless. These are also reversible and lessen the effects of Gender Dysphoria. This gives the patient time to decide on if they should transition and go to more permanent operations. Before I go on I'd like to state the hormone blockers DON'T permanently make you infertile, thats what happens when you take cross-sex hormones, which can only happen at age 16. The medical procedure and diagnosing of trans kids is lengthy, thorough, and effective. We shouldn't deny these kids their happiness.

    -Not at all, but it is worrying many people would rather let their kids and the kids of others fall to depression and even suicide at their own ignorance of Gender Dysphoria and its side effects. Such people dont deserve kids in the first place. A society that doesn't care about the happiness of its people is a society slowly dying. And its our duty to make as much people as possible, happy.

    Thats all I'll say. If anyone wants any other info or questions Ill respond wither here or in DM's.

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    What is wrong with Whiskey ?
    Why is cross dressing anything
    like Whiskey ?
     
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    I do not really agree with your Liberal "mañana mañana" -kind of way of approaching this question. Sure, gender - or more exactly femininity/masculinity rather than gender/sex itself (XX/XY) - is very much a psychological matter. I agree that an adult (a sexually developed human) should be allowed to change their sex if they so wish. It does not really concern me.

    However, when it comes to children (sexually and psychologically undeveloped human beings), it is highly important not to "brainwash" them or in any other way hamper their curiousity and personality. Children do know the difference between boys and girls, but they do not really contemplate too much about their own "gender identity". Often children will enjoy dressoing up as the oposite gender and this does not really mean anything at all. It is just expression of that genuine child play-imagination and curiousity - No child is an actual tranny.

    I doubt there are actual 6-16 year olds who are actually trans. It really scares me when I see that these age groups are included in the "gender dysmorph stats" and it kind of makes me throw up when I realise that it is probably because of idiotic parents who tell their girl that "maybe you are a boy!"

    Absolutely disgusting.
     
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    Did you hear about the movie "Tomboy" ???
    a Girl decides to act like a boy etc....
    The Mother knew nothing about it.
     
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    This is not the same thing. When I grew up there was an awkward tomboy on my street. She had short hair and always wore boy clothes. We all found her very weird, but she was cool. Turned out she was a lesbo as she hit her teens. ;)

    This is not about little kids acting like the opposite sex though, but about little kids who actually line up to have a sex change!!!!!
     
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    Just wondering about the actual numbers here - are we talking about a decision that is taking place amongst .00002% of the population or is it .00000002% of the population? In the US, you are more likely to get hit at a railroad crossing than have a sex change operation.

    Just asking.
     
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    Of course we are talking very small numbers here. The article tells the number of kids and teens applying for sex-change in 2016 was 197, a 100% increase compared to 2015.

    Dors not change this being messed up though.
     
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    So how many of the applicants actually get approved and go through the procedure?
     
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    We don't know.
     
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    But you stated that, "6 year olds were lining up," for the procedure. How many six year olds have applied for the operation?
     
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    That is what the article says.
     
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    How many?
     
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    /Sigh for the fail in this thread.

    I think HonestJoe and Krxv summed up my feelings quite nicely. My large community of friends in Ft Lauderdale is very diverse and there are four trans gendered people I know personally. Two MtF and two FtM. Three of them have done a magical~esque turnaround. To see someone go from sad and miserable (sometimes suicidal,) to be happy, joy-filled, productive people is... stunning. One of them, sadly, took her life after six years. She was suicidal on either side. Very sad person, all around.

    There's a boy I've known since he was born. He's 17, now. For his first several Halloween's, he always dressed up like a girl. He'd do it other times, too, if the situation was right. He liked to play with make up and dolls. Now, he's much more boy-like. He just wasn't very interested in what grown ups said about which things he should and shouldn't like to wear or play with when he was young. Some kids are seriously uncomfortable living inside the narrow boxes some people put them in.

    I think we put a lot of pressure on kids to get them shoved into boxes we approve of, way, way too early. Let them be, let them explore...

    Now. Ahem. Six year olds are NOT lining up at Trans-R-Us to get a sex change.

    Another point - Gender isn't a true/false question.

    If males are 0 and females are 1, then hermaphrodites are .5 . There also exists a .1, a .2, a .3. C'mon, you ALL knew kids in school who seemed more girlish than boyish and vise-versa. It's a spectrum.
     
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    This has literally nothing to do with topic.

    Ahem, check the OP and read the link (assume you are not Swedish, so use Google translate)

    There is a difference between masculinity/femininity and male/female. I do not know in how many threads on here I have pointed that out. This is still kind of off topic though.
     
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    It's a sickening thought to let children mutilate their bodies..
     
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