100% increase of children and teens who want a sex change

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  1. crank

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    Mum and dad should have bought a goldfish.
     
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    I take it you regard 'dullness' as a fate worse than the horrors of being afflicted with gender dysphoria and all that goes with that?

    In which case, why am I even talking to such profoundly vacuous people?

    FTR, though ... there is a universe of difference between explore and 'explore'. My kids can survive alone in the wilderness with a pocket knife, and have 'explored' alpine regions, deserts, oceans, islands, cities, and more. They know Mozart, Chaucer, world politics, and history. But they're - by your standards - VERY dull, because they've been strongly and consistently guided from birth AWAY from the perils of western teenager-hood, and continue to be thusly guided even into late teens.
     
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    I've often asked myself that same question.
     
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    Yes and no.

    Trend? Personally, I think there is mental illness more now than ever and this is a mental thing.

    Once someone is over 18, and have gone through many procedures to make sure they are playing with a full deck....fine. Until then...no.

    Yes, it is worrying. Instead of surgeons, these people need to see shrinks.
     
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    And..when will all this ever end? When it's too late?

    Remember the lady that "always dreamed of being blind" and it was her major wish to achieve in life? And her SHRINK poured draino in her eyes. She got her wish. And now regrets it.

    What about that guy that wants to be an alien and not have ANY sexual parts? Does anyone think there is NOT something going on in that head of his? He has some wires loose.

    One does not condone and agree to self mutiliation to mentally ill people. They are to be helped...not encouraged to do harm to themselves that is permanent.
     
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    That is why most surgeons will not perform a sex reassignment surgery until the patient has gone through counseling by a professional psychologist/psychiatrist. As for a the shrink that poured Draino into the eyes of a patient, I hope they lost their license and are spending a lot of time in jail.
     
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    Nope. He is free as a bird.
     
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    Well...there IS a name for this crap:

    Body Integrity Identity Disorder
     
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    So you don't think people should have a personality until they are 18? We should just go back to the days where children were essentially commodities who were meant to be seen and not heard? The world absolutely needs more parents who let their kids be themselves, maybe then we'd have more mentally stable people who are capable of intelligent decision making. Even Fox News realizes that.
    http://www.foxnews.com/health/2014/10/23/guilt-trip-controlling-parents-hurt-kids-future-relationships.htm
     
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    Per your link she does not regret it

    Your link says it is not known whether the therapist was facing charges...

    What's the purpose of blatantly lying?

    Helped according to who? People with BDI often report improved state of being after undergoing surgery, just because you do not understand it does not mean their life is not made better by such procedures.
     
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    Well yeah self mutilation is acceptable. Vasectomies and other forms of surgical birth control are condoned practiced and viewed as completely ethical. When were talking about transitioning from male to female we're only talking about sterilizing a person.

    Psychiatry is at a loss of what to do with this. Telling a person who is suffering from gender disphoria to Simply stop it isn't going to do anything. So SRS is viewed as a coping mechanism. There may be better ones in the future we need to keep doing the science. Try and find out why people think they're the opposite sex.
     
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    And just where the hell do you get the idea that any such person would ever want to change sexes?
     
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    A child's CHARACTER (substance) is the parents' responsibility, not their personality. Personality is merely the subtle differences in flavour of that substance. We should be leaving personality to the individual themselves to form over time. This isn't about not letting Johnny be Johnny, it's about making sure you do your job (character - substance) and not more. A parent's job is not to decide what their kid's personality will be.

    It's extraordinary to me that you've interpreted a 'seen and not heard' motif from this clearly alien (to you) approach to parenting. We spend more time with our kids .. listening to them and talking to them .. than most. They have always been free to pursue individual interests, and express themselves within the limits of clean living and responsible group functionality. But that doesn't mean we indulge ideas about bizarre 'career' choices, or promote the idea that self-expression is important. Our only message is 'work hard, get educated, be responsible, stay clean, be honest, be kind'. That's the limit of our interference in their shaping. I have three kids with three very different personalities - yet all three are heterosexual, clean living, non-partying, hard working, academically driven kids. That's because we did not interfere or impose 'personality' on them, we only imposed values (substance) on them. They are entirely free to form whatever personality they want .. that's for their private and individual (adult) lives. It's none of our business. It shouldn't be a parents' business. Just as the sex lives of teens and young adults shouldn't be parents' business. Those are things for adulthood. Parents who interfere in those private elements of their childrens' adult lives are dangerous control freaks, IMHO. Or just incredibly irresponsible and borderline neglectful and/or abusive.
     
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    Giggle, some people are major control freaks....
    I wonder if they know they are
    control freaks ?
    Wow !
     
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    I take it you think limiting parental interference to encouraging and supporting decency and a good work ethic is 'controlling'. If so, I guess you think that interfering in your child's sexuality (by discussing it) is not. You probably also think it's cool to indoctrinate your kids into your liberal ideology, too. Not controlling at all.
     
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    How you thought I meant you is beyond me.
    To speak the truth, I was thinking of you though.

    Religous instruction taught;
    All Gays will go to hell, yet that did not stop a 33 year old married Church athletic coach from doing really bad things to me at the age of 9.
    I was best freinds with his son.

    You have really strange views about many things.
     
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    Not sure what religion has to do with it. I'm a raving atheist.

    I only have 'strange views' if you've never left America. Or left, but didn't notice. Half the world thinks the same way, just not your half.
     
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    I have traveled plenty, English was not my first languge.
    I lived in other countries where English was not spoken.

    You can instruct all you want, children will simply believe and do what they feel like doing or feels good.

    Lots of times I had no interest in something, until my parents warned me about it.
     
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    EXACTLY (my bold). The minute you draw their attention to something you make it a thing.

    It's not about 'instructing', it never was and never will be. Not sure why you think this is about telling kids what not to do. Modelling (that which you want for your kids) while staying silent on matters sex/drugs/rock n roll - which are your childrens' later-life, private, adult concerns, and none of your business - is the only way to fly.
     
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    if they do whatever feels good, then you've failed spectacularly as a parent.
     
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    And what kind of parent was my best freinds Dad ?
    He had no problem hurting me, then cried and begged me not to tell.

    I didn't tell for his son's sake, the shame of it all .....
    Everyones shame.....
     
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    Parents tell children it is wrong to masturbate, I had no idea about it till then.
    Example of something that feels good.
    Drugs etc.....
     
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    Parents who even mention masturbation to their children are creepy, and missing the point of parenting by a wide mark. Adolescent/teenage self-stim is an absolutely inconsequential and absolutely private, quite normal, bodily function ... and none of a parents' business. It's NOT the same as drugs etc.

    Drugs etc only result from poor parenting. Many many kids never go down that road, so 'feels good' has nothing to do with it.
     
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