100% increase of children and teens who want a sex change

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  1. Ritter

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    I remember a bizarre drawing of elephants "doing it". :laughing:
     
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    You pitched this crap in another thread. Not discussing things doesn't lead to people not partaking.

    Pretending things don't exist doesn't magically make them disappear.
     
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    why teach them anything? They can figure it all out on their own.

    That's a dumb approach.

    this statement is a contradiction. You're not saying parents who explain sex to their children are pedophiles but they kind of sort of are because of their own prurient interests. Because that's why they do it right they're sex perverts.

    You become more laughable the more I read from you.

    Like Dana Carvey playing the church lady.


    so you're saying they are pedophiles.

    kids don't care about math so that qualifier is stupid. It really depends on how old the kid is whether or not they need to know about it. People we call kids are people under the age of 18. And many kids become sexually active before that frankly because the biologically meant to. That's not from teaching that's from biology and if you don't want your 15 year old to get a girl pregnant or to become pregnant if she is a girl or to get AIDS or hepatitis or any number of a nasty things then yes they need to know.

    Ignorance is never a better option.

    How absurd your position is on this.
     
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    I really think parents should educate their kids about sex. Letting them figure it out on their own could lead to teen pregnancies and diseases for which there is no cure.
     
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    So, why is it that teen-pregnancy is peaking at this "era of sex" and not in the more "hush hush"-era of the early 1900's?

    It is not bloody rocket-science. Our bodies are constructed to engage in sexual relationships and when time is in, our bodies will, automatically, tell us how to do it. None of the previous generations ever needed sex-ed in any shape or form. Obviously. Otherwise we wouldn't be here today. :D
     
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    Surely, you jest. Are you suggesting that the average 15 year old .. anywhere on planet earth ... doesn't know where babies come from?

    Really Pols, that's gettin' ridiculous.
     
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    I'm not saying parents who tell young kids about sex are paedophiles, I'm saying there's a measure of prurience involved. Kids do not require this information, because it's not something that needs to be learned. It's a bodily function, and one which only applies to adulthood. Maths is NOT a bodily function, and is NOT restricted to adulthood. Therefore, the only motivation for telling kids about sex is parent-based. This is referred to as prurience. Prurience isn't necessarily bad, but in this example it's unsettling.
     
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    If you teach your children self-respect and the value of responsibility, you will not have to see your daughter pregnant at 16 or your son with an STD at 18. Furthermore, it is 2017. We have the Internet and children/teenagers will find out about "safe sex" in one way or another. The problem we see today is not because parents have been prude. Rather is it that parents have failed and let their children slip into hedonistic degeneracy.
     
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    The lack of consideration of the screamingly obvious (as described in your post) is astounding, Rittz.
     
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    100%

    hats off to you, Rittz
     
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    Is it?

    Previous generations didn't view a 16 year old being pregnant as a bad thing. Thats what women did that's when they had children throughout much of history. Women's job was to care for and raise children. Now it's so important for them to be a child until they are 24 and s waste their life in college getting a useless degree that every other person their age has done.
     
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    You sure about that?

    I don't understand this a pervert stranger in a classroom who is not a stranger but someone the child knows shouldn't teach them but potential pervert strangers on the internet should?

    hedonistic degeneracy sounds like the animal kingdom. What male animals mate with multiple females to spread their seed. I'm wondering if this is a result of parents not teaching their children about it. A teacher in school can teach you about the mechanics but they can't instill morals.
     
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    Yes, I believe it is.

    Look, as a whole, I think trying to control your children's sexuality is wrong no matter if it is done with chastity belts or string bikinis. Sure, you can talk about sex with your children, but there really is no reason to make it a goal to bring it up with them. If they ask, you answer. Anything else is just OCD-Puritanism/perversion (depending where you stand).

    If only you knew how much I agree. Check out my rants about education here; http://politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/higher-education-europe-vs-usa.510096/page-5
     
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    That doesn't mean it is.

    I don't understand why you brought this up.


    previous generations didn't seem to have a problem with teenagers getting pregnant in fact that's what you are supposed to do. Now that we've extended childhood into the mid twenties and thirties four some people. All we think about is what nonsense our children miss out on.
     
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    It is evident from what you say that you never had to go through the embarrassing awkwardness that is public school sex-ed. I had it from grade 5 to 9 and I can tell you that no student ever has - or ever will - take that joke of education seriously. Most of all it is just awkward for everyone at that age and you can tell that even the teacher is uncomfortable. Trust me, it is completely and utterly redundant.

    Yes, like I said. It is the result of poor parenting and overly massive state that has made it its duty to raise the children instead of leaving that to the individual families.
     
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    well you're reading Minds and I doubt you have that ability.

    and by pretending it doesn't exist kids magically don't do it right? Your take on this is profoundly absurd.

    it's unsettling to you because you cooked up some on the seedy scenario in your mind. And you think you know the motivations of people that do this.
     
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    Exactly. People took responsibility for their actions and we therefore saw very dew "unwanted pregnancies". Family was not looked down upon and the state had not yet made it their job to raise other people's children.

    Today we live in an era of moral decadence. We are living in what Sorokin called a 'Sensate Culture'.
     
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    your evaluation of evidence is poor. I did take sex ed classes in public school once and fourth grade one since 7th grade and then again in 10th Grade. No I didn't get really much from it but my mother and father having had a child when my mother was 15 years old made it her mission to educate me on sex.

    I did not find it awkward and embarrassing I simply wasn't triggered in that way

    that's why I said the best teachers for sex education are parents.
     
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    No why do you have to straw man every single post.

    I'm saying 15 year olds are idiots and they believe stupid s***.
     
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    I have a hard time believing this magical Fable of time before my existence where problems didn't exist. I don't know how you could even possibly measure how many pregnancies were unwanted.
    to my understanding failure to parent just transferred the responsibility on to somebody else.

    people say that in every era known to man.

    Again I have a hard time believing in these Fables. It's because I have a hard time believing Human Nature has changed that greatly.
     
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    Extremely true, which is why it should never be allowed for the surgery and/or drugs prior to puberty. About the time of puberty however, the child does know themselves more and so puberty blocking drugs, the effects of which are reversible, are fine, but not surgery. Surgery and actual hormone therapy should be reserved for adults only


    True in and of itself, however, the child still knows what it wants, and if that is to act outside gender/sex stereotypes, there is nothing harmful in that. Because that is exactly what they are, stereotypes and social constructs. Whether or not the child is actually transgendered, has no bearing on the type of clothes they wish to wear.

    Here's the problem with trying to dismiss genetics. We don't know that it is not genetics. How many trans get their DNA checked from multiple points on the body to eliminate chimerism as the possible cause? Are there issues with normal floods that naturally cause this condition?

    What of it? Just assuming that you are right, which I am not, in the adults what harm does it cause you if a transmale is acting male instead of their genetic female, or vice versa?
     
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    Important in life is always a subjective value.
     
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    Wait! Where exactly are six year olld lining up to get sex change operations?
     
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    A child knows what it wants? No kidding? Of course a child knows what it wants - candy, to watch tv all day, to play video games, to not go to school or clean her room. So shall we all just allow children to make their own decisions?

    Or should the parents - who are supposed to be wiser and smarter than a child - act like adults and guide the childs development so the child will avoid pitfalls, be responsible and productive, and fulfill her potential?

    Children are not "little adults". They know what they like and want, they do not know what is best for them.


    5,000 years of human history show that humanity is exactly what science says it is - a heterosexual species in which males and females are physically and mentally different. Transgenderism and the entire LGBTQXYZBS movement is not genetics, all those people are not truly males trapped in a female body (or vice versa), the vast majority are mentally ill.

    And while the LGBTQRSBS crowd kept to themselves and did not intrude into everyone elses lives, then they can live in their fantasy world just like "trekkies" and video gamers live in their own fantasy land.

    But when they use the law and political system to impose their fantasy on everyone else, they go to far and need to be treated like the lunatics they are.
     
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    When possible and relatively safe, the. Yes as much as possible. Even if it means a minor harm, otherwise they do not actually learn. For example, the child wants to keep touching the hot stove. If they go to reach for it when it is hot enough to hurt them but not hot enough to cause more than a 1st degree burn at worst if that, then let them follow through with that decision. In regards to the topic at hand, if a child wants to dress in clothes not stereotypically associated with their physical sex, let them make that decision. They will learn from it. Now what they learn will vary from situation to situation, but they will learn. Simply because it is not what you want the. To learn doesn't make it automatically wrong.

    Of course the key phrase is "supposed to be". Of course it doesn't help that what is the "wiser and smarter" decisions are soundly in subjective territory. A child learns how to avoid pitfalls by being allowed to encounter them, in such a way the parent can help them help their selves out of it. It's kind of like that saying about young people getting jobs; they can't get the job because they don't have the experience, but they can't get the experience if they don't get a job. Kinds need the experience making mistakes and hitting pitfallls in order to know how to handle them. Being overly protective does them more harm than good.

    Again, "best" is a subjective term, and the "for them" makes it even more individualized, since what is best for one child is not necessarily best for another.

    Sure, and 5000+ years of human history had the earth at the center of the universe as well. Science is showing that trans individuals are different than their cis counterparts, as far as birth sex goes. Measurements on brains of deceased trans have shown a majority of them closer in structure, although not identical, to the gender they identified as than to their birth sex. Yes there are physical and mental difference between males and females, but science is starting to uncover than gender goes beyond sex and that there are more variations than we initially thought, our knowledge previously limited by what had not yet been learned and developed.

    I am going to disagree on the genetics bit, at least insofar as to say that genetics may play in as a factor, but I doubt that it is the only or deciding factor. I will agree that a trans female is not a female trapped in a male body, but neither are they reallly male, in regards to gender, versus sex. But at this time, until language and knowledge grow and evolves further to better understand transgenderism, it is the best that we can describe it give the word symbols we have. Furthermore, until we can determine what is the issue that causes transgenderism, we cannot be sure whether it is purely a mental issue or not.

    Chew on this: there is a condition known as chimerism, where an individual has more than one set of DNA. Now while we all can end up like this, through blood transfusions and organ transplant and such, when speaking of chimeras, we usually mean they are born as such. The most common means of this is when fraternal twins end up merging into a single zygote while still at that stage. We have learned over the years that women have a lot more miscarriages than we thought. So given that chimerism is still a relatively new area of knowledge, it may happen more frequently than we know. There is not often any need to test an individual for DNA at multiple points of the body, yet that is the only way to determine, currently, if one is a chimera. One famous case was a mother, who, when tested for DNA for a medical procedure, was shown not to be the genetic mother of her children. Long story short, it wasn't until they did a DNA test from her uterus, as opposed to the standard of the mouth swab, that they found out that the DNA matched the children there. Now if the head developed with one DNA set and the genitals developed from a different set, imagine what would be the result if the two sets of DNA came from opposite sex fraternal twins? But, to my knowledge, no one has yet to do a study to see what kind of occurrence rate this has among trans. But if that is a cause (I personally do not think there is any single cause) then such an individual would not be suffering from a mental illness.


    And there is the common argument, but what does it mean that they are imposing something upon you? It was commonly argued that interracial marriage was being imposed upon people when it was made legal. What do you mean by imposed?
     

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