100s of Thousands flee Germany to avoid the Islamic takeover

Some do, many don't. I didn't bring up the rather meaningless "better nation" idea. Millions live abroad and have their reasons. What those reasons are only they know. When a person moves to and stays in another country, they obviously like it there. The idea of "no better nation" is completely subjective.

 

Well, those who support open borders in the US, or even nearly open borders in the US, must certainly support that other nations should have the same, correct? And if that's so, if the United States isn't the best place to live, all those who think there's a better place to live should be marching on those nations, sneaking in past their border protections, claiming refugee status for protection from the evil United States, and demand citizenship.

Most certainly, there are those who think other countries are better places to live than the United States. They should all go there.

 

You will have to discuss that with your fellow countrymen. Who supports what in US domestic politics is of no concern to me and I'm certainly not interested in playing this childish My-country-is-better-than-your-country-game.
People are entitled to their personal preferences and if millions of Americans decided to live somewhere else, that's their decision. There are some who consider this decision an act of blasphemy, but that's their narrow-minded problem, not mine. It doesn't really interest me and it's off topic here.

 

The post of in question was not written by me.
It is not my stile of writing, or having a discussion.
But since it was written with my nick, I apologize.
My mistake, very sloppy password.

 

one German family I wish had not immigrated here... the Drumpf's

 

Same for the many Germans who immigrate to an other country, like me.
Close to retirement I call myself very lucky to have that maroon/redish passport. It says Germany on it and European Union.
I have 27 countries to choose from, were I would like to settle for retirement, without having to go through the BS of immigration, Visa and what so ever, which I have had to do for over 40 years, in 15 countries.
If there is one smart thing I have done in my adult live, it is keeping my German Nationality and keeping a foot in the social system, even that that cost extra money

 

He should have added Syria to his claim - as this is the largest source of immigrants from the ME over the last decade.

 

You mean like Californians immigrating to Idaho and then trying to make Idaho into California? Total jerks, I agree.

 

Exactly.

 

I share your feeling.
I met germans retired in Spain, while also been living in Spain. Not living there anymore but I miss it a lot. 10 years in France and then moved.
This is the future of Europe we should aspire, the Spanish being entitled to german engineering products while you of their beaches, them on the grains from eastern Europeans and so on. We have a lot to share and experience by meeting various places or people.

 

My personal experience on this.

My partner is Dutch and one of her brothers who lives in Amsterdam is homosexual. Despite him being very left wing, love everybody , rainbows la la la he's come to the realization about the intolerance and violence of Muslims towards homosexuals has changed the nature of the city for him.

Gangs of young Arab men go out of their way to look for gay to harass and bash, something that has never happened in his city and he's had to alter his look and actions to stay safe. Netherland has about 4% Islam, Germany close to 6 and France nearly 9%.
Is anyone surprised that Jews are fleeing France now?

 

And than think about this, Europe is not really that large and is composed of 27 different countries, different foods, different cultures, languages and so on and than those countries have a multitude of cultures, food, customs and so. 1 week of traveling gives you so many flavours.
You just drive from country to country, no hassle at all.
At the present I trend to Portugal, Central, Coimbra region. Having lived on a farm for 30 years, it has to be rural, not in a city, need a little room.
But having a city close by, 50 miles or so, for services, would be very much alright.

But the point is, I am a EU citizens and because of it I have freedom of movement. Most people do not really what citizens means, the value of it, till they have worked and lived abroad for many years. Its not a question of nationalism, its a question of rights and being a 1. class resident or a 2. or 3. class resident.

 

I question that, those arab gangs hunting gay. Me thinks that is hearsay and plain old BS. The Netherlands are one of the most liberal countries in Europe and one of the most progressive. I find it hard to believe, that they would tolerate any of this.
I say BS.

 

Victim Jasper Vernes-Sewratan writes on Facebook that the attackers were 'Moroccans between 14 and 18 years old'. A police investigation in 2013 shows that Moroccan Dutch are suspected of violence against LGBT people more often than average. In 16.6 percent of all incidents, the suspect has the Moroccan nationality, considerably higher than their share in the Dutch population figures (around 2.2 percent). But it goes too far to conclude that Moroccan Dutch people are more likely to target LGBT people, warns researcher Feddes.

https://www.volkskrant.nl/nieuws-ac...mo-s-op-straat-de-feiten-op-een-rij~b53797d1/

 

Business wanted cheap labor, just like here. Germany brought labor into the country regardless of the politics of the government.

 

Moroccans have been know in Europe to not get it. You cite a 2013 investigation, 7 years old and expect that naturally nothing has changed. Around that time Moroccans got out of bounce in Germany as well, Cologne Dome Plate. Never happened again, remember that incidence ?
Facebook, honestly. I mean facebook were every idiot or not posts crap, nothing but crap. How did he know they were Marocons and 14 to 18 years old, did it he ask them, show me your ID.

BS

 

Nope
Germany does not need cheap labour, it need highly qualifier labour, with a superb education.
All the immigrants brought in as you call it are going through education projects, financed and supported by the industry and the government.
Rather successful programs, producing high earning blue color workers, out of those emigrants/refugees.
Low income is saturated, high income quality labor is rather lacking, the Gesellen.

 

To form an opinion, why look to the extreme right?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breitbart_News

Lies lies and even more lies, or to use the words of your infamous president, fake news.

Why constantly thrashing Muslim?

I find there is a constant growth of people on this form who either deny the ever growing rightish propaganda, or who stand up for the extreme right. Very dangerous I think this is. Shame on them...
Reg.

 

Stick your head in the sand as much as you want.
I gave you the personal feedback from my brother-in-law with on the ground current info. I saw him 6 months ago.
I gave you a news link.

Here's another link from December 2019, or is that too dated for you?

The boys, whom Jansen describes as “of non-Dutch ethnicity,” spat at him and shouted insults, including the slurs “f****t” and “zemmel”, the Moroccan-Arabic slang word meaning the same.

https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2019/12/24/netherlands-eindhoven-homophobic-attack-12-year-olds/

 

Cheap as in paying them much lower wages. I worked in Silly Con Valley for a few years. They could get Indian engineers from both India and from U.S. universities for the same wages they paid convenience store workers there, about $10 an hour at major companies via the green card scam. 4 of them shared a one room efficiency apartment above me, sleeping in shifts. Then they run around pretending 'American won't work for them' ... well Duhhhh ... who can live in Silly Con Valley on $10 an hour but immigrants living 10 to a room? Truck drivers got paid more than 'high income quality labor' does in Silly Com Valley. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy, driven by corporations lying through their teeth about imaginary labor shortages, and our colleges conspiring with them in their lies.

 

The Conservatives will live or die on Brexit. Trade deals are hard to come by for small nations with few natural resources, so the Conservatives have to get a good trade agreement with the EU or the UK will be in a world of economic pain. What would you have to give up to get an agreement? I can't believe the EU will want to make it easy for you.

There's no way the Conservatives will allow "EU immigration en masse."

 

It hasn't brought China to heel because the entirety of our Chinese imports is less than 4% of their GDP.

 

And they aren't now?

 

How easy it is for you to get rid of the responsibility and self criticism in murdering around 1m Iraqis by justifying this coward and treacherous war....
Americans have brought so much suffering on so many countries since WW2, some might even ask themselves who the real bad boys are....
Reg.

 

It's not our fault we WERE FORCED to fight against communism and terrorism.

I would say America is the reason everyone else has the high standards of living they have now..

The hatred of America though popular is complete crap!

American exceptionalism you're damn right!
To the rest of the world? Your welcome.