11 year old rape victim given to c section instead of abortion

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  1. Bowerbird

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    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-03...-given-c-section-instead-of-abortion/10860382

    What is really disturbing about this is that they not only put this very young child”s health at risk but also put the baby at extreme risk. If they wanted to deny an abortion entirely why not wait a few more weeks until the baby had a better chance?
     
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    Yeah, 19 weeks is already too late.

    Maybe because they refused to carry out murder?
    At 19 weeks it's a baby.

    It shouldn't have taken them five weeks to decide (if you're going to abort, better do it sooner rather than later), but I suspect they were trying to delay.



    I do see a problem with cutting into a woman, but for an 11-year-old it should have been more than obvious that she was pregnant long before then (if not to her, then to her mother). I suspect some other family members may have been complicit in trying to cover this up.
    If that's the case then the blame for the c-section is on them.​
     
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    NO, a 19 week fetus is a fetus.

     
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    Good lord, I don't click on your links....

    and it's a fact, a 19 week fetus is still a fetus.....it has to be born to be a baby....as you have been told a thousand times...
     
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    Maybe because you don't want to see the light.
     
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    She was 11

    She had gone through a rape

    To force her through an unwanted pregnancy would be like raping her again especially at that age

    If they were that determined to “save the baby” why condemn it to almost certain death by doing the caesar at 23 weeks?
     
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    No life is too short for *****
     
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    She already went 19 weeks through the pregnancy.
    That's halfway through already.
     
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    The fetus was 19 weeks

    And that doesn't give her a free pass to get a late-term abortion.

    An abortion wouldn't have un-raped her.
     
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    Maybe they realized they could no longer legally delay her from terminating her pregnancy.
    At least at 23 weeks the baby had a chance of survival.
    These days, with modern medical care, a baby born at 23 weeks has a slightly over 50 percent chance of survival.

    The girl probably could have increased those odds of survival to 80 percent if she was willing to wait two more weeks, but I suspect she just wanted her baby dead.

    (When I say "she", we're probably talking about her family making the decisions for her and telling her what to say)
     
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    No 11-year-old girl should have to give birth.
    But no 11-year-old girl should have to go through an abortion either.

    I don't know that we really know that it was her decision. For a girl that age (and even older) likely the family was exerting a lot of influence, control and/or pressure.

    For all we know, the girl might have secretly whispered in one of the doctor's ear that she didn't want to terminate the baby, but the family was against it.
     
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    Depends on whether you are measuring survival as actually leaving the hospital or just to the door of the NICU

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    That table is consistent with what I stated.
     
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    And??

    Apparently she kept saying “I want this thing the old man put in me taken out”
     
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    Why wasn't she saying that at 15 weeks?
    You think an 11-year-old can be 15 weeks pregnant without that being very noticeable and having a big bulge on her belly?
     
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    Here's the whole post instead of your usual cherry picked version :

    """Good lord, I don't click on your links....

    and it's a fact, a 19 week fetus is still a fetus.....it has to be born to be a baby....as you have been told a thousand times...""""


    I don't need your links...they're probably to a cartoon or an episode of Star Trek...….
     
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    Your empathy and sympathy (total lack of) shows what has been said about Anti-Choicers is true....they ONLY care about "children" WHEN they're in the womb....if they're 11 ?? well tough cookies...
     
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    We're talking about the difference between a c-section scar and having your life completely terminated.

    And what was done to that girl is illegal. And now that they have the baby maybe they can do a DNA test and see who the man responsible for this is (probably a member of her family).
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    Your empathy and sympathy (total lack of) shows what has been said about Anti-Choicers is true....they ONLY care about "children" WHEN they're in the womb....if they're 11 ?? well tough cookies...



    I'm sorry but I can't think of anything more ignorant than someone thinking all a pregnancy does, ESPCIALLY TO AN 11 year old's body, is leave an external scar.


    You acted like you care about the "child" in the womb but the moment it's out you don't seem to care what it suffers through.


    Are you aware that an 11 year old is a CHILD??? You didn't know that?

    NEXT will you claim she asked for it?????
     
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    So why wasn't that girl willing to wait 2 or 3 more weeks so the fetus would suffer less?
     
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    By not getting the termination sooner, yes.
     
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    She was ALREADY pregnant. They only made her wait 4 more weeks.
     
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    Do you ever go back and re-read the stuff you write and wonder if maybe it's more than a little ****ed up? If not, start here.
     
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    “Only”

    In a body not physically ready to BE pregnant
     
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