13-Year-Old Girl Gets Publicly Shouted Down When She Compares Abortion To Slavery

What a bunch of gibberish. Your post is full of assumed premise fallacy. Until you can prove that a zygote is a living human - quit pretending that this claim is fact.

 

A say in what ? Whether or not a woman carries an unintended pregnancy to term ? Why would the man have a say when it is the woman's body we are talking about ?

 

Well it's living and it keeps getting bigger and bigger and just as a pupa is a butterfly in it's early stages it's still a butterfly. Life begins at conception. Every year, with technology , we seem to find that the child has a heartbeat and is forming. Many years ago mankind believed the world was flat. Those little zygotes don't just show up, they are made by the interaction of two humans. One male and one female. One living sperm and one living egg. BINGO. Pro-creation. Pretty simple huh? Enjoy your day.

 

What does this have to do with other states? Again, what is the relevant 'abortion right' in a state constitution? Is there a specific right to an abortion?

 

The right to get an abortion was put in the state constitution.

 

Of course "it" is living. Just because something is alive does not make that thing a living human. Big difference.
Just because life exists (what you claim is the beginning) does not mean a human exists.

You claim - "live begins at conception" and then you correctly refute your own claim "Those little zygotes don't just show up" - Exactly - animate does not come from inanimate. Life begets life. Life is present at every stage of the process. Sperm and egg are both human and alive. This is known as the metabolic perspective.

There are 5 main scientific perspectives on when human life begins - metabolic, genetic, embryological, neurological, ecological. Only one claims conception as the beginning of human life. Even if one accepts this position - this does not mean a living human exists - a "Person". The problem with your claim is that 4 of the perspectives disagree with your claim.

In order show that your defacto claim "a human exists" is true - you have to do 2 things 1) refute the 4 claims that contradict the genetic perspective 2) show that a living human exists at that point.

You have done neither. What you did do is refute your own claim in the same post that you made it.

 

I don't see the slavery connection, the pro-life comparison is murder, not slavery.

I don't think the analogy holds even from the pro-life side of things.

 

Her connection was that when slavery was legal slave owners had the power of life or death over their slaves

 

Slavery is having the right to one's own body taken away...exactly what Anti-Choicers want to do to women.

 

...and what has your little biology lesson got to do with the FACT that women have the right to their own body ?

 

There is NO "baby", there is a fetus which hasn't the ability to have a choice.

Where's the compassion for the rights of women?

There is NO child involved in abortion. Women have the right to their own bodies and the embryo/fetus is their own body.

Why do you think YOU have the right to deprive women of their rights????

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That is NOT for YOU to decide.

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A child has those rights.

Uh, DUH ya, getting pregnant almost certainly were due to her actions..... SO?

I always feel so sorry for people who think that way.....

NO one is obligated to "replenish the population".

If you're referring to the Hippocratic oath, read up on it....it has changed and varied over the years and doctors don't have to live by it...

AND no, the nation isn't split on the topic, the majority want abortion to remain legal, preserving women's right to their own body.

 

Let us look at the term Zygote. - A zygote is a eukaryotic cell formed by a fertilization event between two gametes. The zygote's genome is a combination of the DNA in each gamete, and contains all of the genetic information necessary to form a new individual. In multicellular organisms, the zygote is the earliest developmental stage. In single-celled organisms, the zygote can divide asexually by mitosis to produce identical offspring. Oscar Hertwig and Richard Hertwig made some of the first discoveries on animal zygote formation.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zygote

Metabolic - relating to or deriving from the metabolism of a living organism. Metabolism is the set of life-sustaining chemical reactions in organisms. The three main purposes of metabolism are: the conversion of food to energy to run cellular processes; the conversion of food/fuel to building blocks for proteins, lipids, nucleic acids, and some carbohydrates; and the elimination of nitrogenous wastes. These enzyme-catalyzed reactions allow organisms to grow and reproduce, maintain their structures, and respond to their environments.
https://www.bing.com/search?q=metab...297C497489AE6268D6DA401C&FORM=QBRE&sp=6&ghc=1

When life is created in the mother she becomes the host, incubator and source of nutrition. This allows the growth of that child until it can sustain outside of the womb. The mother and child bond and share the same nutrition. The waste accumulates in the placenta.

Genetics - The genes lie within the chromosomes. Humans have 23 pairs of these small thread-like structures in the nucleus of their cells. 23 or half of the total 46 comes from the mother while the other 23 comes from the father. The chromosomes contain genes just like pages of a book. Some chromosomes may carry thousands of important genes while some may carry only a few. The chromosomes, and therefore the genes, are made up of the chemical substance called DNA (DeoxyriboNucleic Acid)
https://www.bing.com/search?q=genet...A68A468AED4464B1C820C98F26E54D&FORM=QBRE&sp=2

The same genetics of the child when they are conceived, zygote stage, embryo stage, birth outside the womb, childhood and old age is still the same.

embryological

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Umm! 2 gametes = zygote stage = embryo stage

neurological
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(Medicine) of or relating to the nervous system or neurology.

We know that the child, while in the womb, can experience discomfort and pain.

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biological science - the science that studies living organisms
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cell - (biology) the basic structural and functional unit of all organisms; they may exist as independent units of life (as in monads) or may form colonies or tissues as in higher plants and animals.

We know that life can be created or sustained outside of the womb (test tube babies) and then implanted into the womb of a woman to continue to sustain that life.

My question is for all those who are pro- abortion, " is at what day and second is it ok to terminate a life?" . If it can be done up until the time it comes out of the womb, which doesn't seem to bother the governor of Virginia, why not a few days after or anytime the mother gets tired of the child? Isn't the child just in a different stage of development and still growing after it leaves the womb?

 

Not sure why you posted all this but OK. To your question most subject matter experts seem to favor the neurological perspective .. when the entity achieves sentience "significant brain function. When this is lacking - even in a living human - the plug is pulled and the dirt nap begins. Philosophical arguments with respect to personhood also find validity at this point. In a fetus this is roughly 22-24 weeks.

To comment on your information. Indeed the DNA in the zygote has the ability to create a human. The zygote itself is gone after the first few hours. This cell - nor any of the totipotent cells that come after - will ever be part of the living human that is to be created. These will never be cells in the structure of that human. At some point - once the blastocyst is formed - the first cells that will be part of the human are created - these are the differentiated and specialized cells - heart liver brain and so on.

Your liver and heart cells have the same DNA as the zygote - they just do not have the codes "create a human" turned on. With scientific advancements we are near being able to do this - turn on the codes for the creation of a human. This does not make a single heart cells a living human - nor does it make the zygote a living human.

 

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Oh Yeah In post 542 you made it look like all the comments were mine....please fix that.



YOU: ""She really doesn't have a right to her own body. She can be arrested for abusing it with drugs or alcohol. She can incarcerated for self mutilation or acting in a disorderly behavior. When she has an abortion she is infringing on the rights of another human in progress and denying them of their rights.""


So we don't have the right to our own bodies??
So if I need a new heart I can force you to give me yours?
NO, because you have aright to your won body.

Breaking laws has nothing to do with the right to your own body....you don't have the right to break laws.

A fetus has NO rights and it certainly doesn't have more rights which is what YOU are saying.



You: ""We will just have to disagree. I believe we all have rights as long as they don't infringe on the rights of others. I believe that humans are created at conception and have a right to live through the whole stage of development. Who am I, or anyone, to say at what day it's ok to have an abortion and terminate a living soul."""


You seem to have no concern about the fetus infringing on the woman's rights....why is that???

Where do humans get the right to live through development? Living off a person. Using the woman's body to sustain their life. NO one else has that right...NO one...so you want fetuses to have MORE and superior rights than BORN women!!!!

 

Would you not say that the Zygote is created by two living gametes human cells? I understand it's a revolving process of new cells being created and old cells dying. I'm sure one can dispute the argument on brain function. I have watched plants grow into trees and actually follow the sun and the foliage react to music. They even had a orange grove in Fla. that was not producing and found out that the birds no longer came around. They piped in records of chirping birds and the grove again started producing oranges in abundance. There are many stories of mothers who have read to their children while in the womb and they swear their kids are avid readers at a young age. Who knows what happens when one is in tune with the universe and it's surroundings?

 

All true what you say - but this does not make a plant a living human. There are indeed some that argue that some animals should be accorded personhood - there are some that argue this for plants. While I do not put much stock in the plant argument ... for some animals like whales and dolphin's the argument has merit.

Here is the thing though - a whale or a dolphin has far more of the characteristics we value with respect to humanity/personhood than the zygote. A zygote is far lower than the level of an ant. It is a single cell - more like a bacteria than some higher order creature.

There is no sentience - of any significance (as in more significant than a plant) prior to the wiring of the brain getting complete. Once this wiring gets complete the brain lights up like an xmas tree. Prior to that there is no activity that can be associated with consciousness - the ability to feel pain - or any of the things we relate to humanity/personhood.

 

It's empowering to women to shout down a teenaged girl, didn't you know?

 

Just California's?

 

Folded your tent ?

 

Don't know.

 

Okay, then how can a "right" be taken seriously if it's not a right proscribed in a state's Constitution?

 

I don't think it can. It was elevated a a right in California.

 

wonder what this girl thinks of a guy shooting a pregnant women, should the women be arrested or the man? Alabama think the women shoudl be arrested