$15M per month for peace

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  1. Poohbear

    Poohbear Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    How so? You can make the point there are tunnels into Egypt to get goods
    into Gaza. But those goods are freely available - it's "dual use" stuff that's
    prohibited as it can be repurposed into weapons.
    The tunnels into Israel - that's another matter.
    But I doubt they cost a billion dollars. I have no doubt about the reports
    that kids were used to dig these tunnels, and died in the process.
     
  2. Poohbear

    Poohbear Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Ethic cleansing means to remove an ethnic group.
    I think there's more Arabs in Israel today, and more
    Gazans in Gaza than ever before.
    I wouldn't worry about the Israelis if they are this
    incompetent.
     
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    My entire point is that the Jews banned goods, like clothing for children and enough food for children.
     
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    The amount of Arabs in present day Israel dropped like 1/10 of what it was before Israel became independent. And the Jews own research claim that they are predominantly responsible for that. That proves they are responsible for the ethnic cleansing. Your dumb reasoning is that since there are Jews now in Germany, means there was no holocaust.
     
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    It may be impolite to answer a question with a counter question ... but why do you believe the BS press of Israel and not the truth?

    You want to have a list? You know that there are about 230 pieces that are alone in the West Bank ... and I should list all of them individually now?

    Defining illegal settlement ... so recognized by everyone except Israel and the US

    "Israeli settlements are those established by Jews, mostly Israeli citizens, with the support of Israeli governments and populated settlements in the West Bank which is by majority populated by Arab or Palestinian populationsunder Israeli military control since the 1967 Six-Day War These Jewish settlements are located outside of Israel's territory within the so-called Green Line, which was established under Israel's and its neighboring Arab states after the 1949 ceasefire agreement, and are illegal under international law. "

    It may be impolite to answer a question with a counter question ... but why do you believe the BS press of Israel and not the truth?

    You want to have a list? You know that there are about 230 pieces that are alone in the West Bank ... and I should list all of them individually now?

    Defining illegal settlement ... so recognized by everyone except Israel and the US

    "Illegal Israeli settlements are those established and inhabited by Jews, mostly Israeli citizens, with the support of Israeli governments, in areas populated mostly by Arab or Palestinian populations under Israeli military control since the 1967 Six-Day War.
    These Jewish settlements are located in the West Bank, outside the Israeli territory and within the so-called Green Line established between Israel and its neighboring Arab states under the 1949 ceasefire agreement, and are considered illegal under international law. "
     
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    As we say - Inshallahh
     
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    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    My friend,

    west bank is not capitalized, it’s just a geographical location, the same as east bank. What you’re referring to are Judea and Samaria. Say it, you’re u may like it :)
     
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    My Friend ...
    Judea and Samaria are the Israeli / Jewish names for the area, which is internationally known as the West Bank, and which explicitly does NOT belong to Israeli territory. So please take the right name and not the Israeli deception to make the West Bank illegal to Israeli territory. ;-)
     
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    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    My friend,

    Judea and Samaria are the ancient names for the ancient Jewish lands. And Judea and Samaria are not occupied. Israel won these lands from Jordan to whom Judea and Samaria did not belonged to in the first place.

    Judea and Samaria are the disputed territories which will be disposed of pending direct negotiations between Israel and whoever (Palestinians?)
     
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    My friend ...
    Do you seriously want to have a history lesson and an explanation of internationally recognized facts?

    Yes ... these are the old Israeli names of the Jews for this area ... but "who cares?" please?
    Everything was different in the past than it is today and everything was conquered sometime by somebody, etc. When we start claiming areas of history, then it becomes really "funny" in the world!
    And as for the West Bank, even Israel has officially agreed and accepted that it is not Israeli territory ... but they do not stick to it and the US is known to be blind to Israel anyway and allow them everything ... stuff that they would not allow anyone else in the world! Example?
    Donald Dumbass demands total controls on Iran's nuclear facilities ... right?
    OK ... when was the last time an IAEA check in an Israeli nuclear reactor? Never happened!
    Why only, eh? Oh yes ... Israel is your friend, because you do not need such minor things as control by the IAEA in contrast to Iran not to do!
     
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    Grau Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Actually, US "aid" to Israel, one of the world's wealthiest countries, is in the $ Trillions(1) even though any aid to Israel is illegal under the Symington - Glenn Amendment(2).

    Meanwhile, the vast majority of American citizens opposed the recent $38 Billion aid "supplement" and named far more appropriate uses for money extracted from its citizens(3)

    The fact that the US Government lavishes $ Trillions on an insatiably greedy, ruthless & brutal foreign regime only confirms the fact that Israeli lobbies do control US Foreign policy to the severe detriment of more deserving Americans at home.

    And what is the true nature of the US - Israeli alliance:

    Netanyahu: “Once we squeeze all we can out of the United States, it can dry up and blow away”



    (1) “The Real Cost of US Support for Israel: $3 Trillion”
    http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Soc/soc.culture.palestine/2005-08/msg00005.html

    EXCERPT “While it is commonly reported that Israel officially receives some $3 billion every year in the form of economic aid from the U.S. government, this figure is just the tip of the iceberg. There are many billions of dollars more in hidden costs and economic losses lurking beneath the surface. A recently published economic analysis has concluded that U.S. support for the state of Israel has cost American taxpayers nearly $3 trillion ($3 million millions) in 2002 dollars. “CONTINUED


    (2) "Lawsuit Claims Aid to Nuclear Israel Illegal Under Symington Glenn Amendments"
    https://www.corporatecrimereporter....ael-illegal-under-symington-glenn-amendments/

    EXCERPT "A lawsuit filed in federal court in Washington, D.C. claims that United States aid to Israel is illegal under a law passed in the 1970s that prohibits aid to nuclear powers that don’t sign the Nuclear Non Proliferation Treaty (NPT).

    Such aid violates longstanding bans on foreign aid to non-signatories to the Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty (NPT) with nuclear weapons programs, the lawsuit alleges."CONTINUED


    (3) “81% of Americans Oppose $38 Billion Pledge to Israel”
    http://original.antiwar.com/smith-grant/2016/09/19/81-americans-oppose-38-billion-pledge-israel/

    EXCERPT “A solid majority of Americans would redirect $38 billion the Obama Administration pledged to Israel toward other priorities.

    An IRmep poll fielded by Google Consumer Surveys reveals 80.8 percent of the US adult Internet user population says they would redirect the proposed spending toward other priorities.

    - Caring for veterans (20.7 percent) was their top priority, followed by

    - education spending (20.1 percent) and

    - paying down the national debt (19.3 percent).

    - Rebuilding US infrastructure was favored by 14.9 percent, while

    - funding a Middle East peace plan received 5.8 percent of support.

    - Only 16.8 percent said the $38 billion of pledged foreign aid should be spent on Israel.”CONTINUED
     
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    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And why is this the Arab world can't let Israel have this little insignificant parcel of land? If I remember correctly, Arabs have gotten 95% of all the Middle East land they requested? And Israel is frowned upon for claiming 0.15% of the Middle East land... why's that again?
     
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    As an Israeli who is genuinely concerned about the wellness of the Palestinians in Gaza, I assume that such a transaction would critically decrease the chance of the two nations at approaching a supposed truce. The main goal Hamas has wanted to achieve by organizing daily violent protests abutting Israel's territory is to receive further funding for its inhumane activity. I guess that even those who do not side with Israel realize that Hamas do not seek any welfare for Gaza residents. The most disturbing thing I remember from the clashes over the past half year is Hamas's desire to reach a death toll to achieve its own vicious goals. That is why I truly think that there would never be a Palestinian state as long as Hamas is on the grip. The beginning of the peace process must primarily be Hamas's extinction.
     
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    Israelis routinely answer questions with other questions. Like right now: why do you think the Israeli press is not reporting the truth?

    By the way, yours is a leading question, a logical fallacy.

    We were talking about settlements built on private land and the right of the owners to sue in Israeli courts. You took the discussion to a whole new level. Why? Bad google search results?

    Under what international law?

    The Document of the Mandate (the British Mandate), which is still valid and generates international law - as all international treaties do - gives Jews the right to settle anywhere on the territory of the (former) Mandate. This territory includes what is generally called today the West Bank.

    There's also the unresolved matter of Jewish private properties in territories claimed by Arabs, like the old city of Jerusalem, Hebron, Gaza, Silwan. Jews were expelled from those places by both the British - following massacres of Jews by Arabs during the Mandate - and by the Jordanians after the independence war. Why are Arabs who occupied Jewish territories seen as legitimate owners, while Jews who returned to their ancestral homes (the Hebron settlement was built on land purchased by Jews in the XVIth century) are seen as invaders? Why is Gaza seen as pure Arab, when for most of its history it was home to a thriving Jewish community?

    History didn't begin in 1967.
     

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