16 Bible Verses That Teach The Bible Is The Word Of God.

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  1. JAG*

    JAG* Well-Known Member

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    * That kind of stuff kills the discussion.
    * I don't think you have any intention of conducting a serious exchange of ideas.
    * Feel free to post that kind of stuff to your heart's content.
    * Its pointless to continue given your approach to "discussion."
    * You're here to mock and ridicule.


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    Not opposed to discussion. I'm opposed to proselytizing. Any casual observer to this thread can clearly see you are the one not open to discussion and want people to just accept your myopic view of Christianity.
     
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    * That proves my points down below:

    * Its clear that you are locked-down on your anti-Christian position.
    * Its clear that you are not open to anything pro-Christian.
    * There is a complete absence in your posts of any investigative tones.
    * Its clear that your mind is locked down against Christianity.
    * I am convinced that anything I post will be immediately rejected by you.
    * Therefore its pointless to continue given your approach to "discussion."


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    An unbiased assessment does not hinge on mocking and ridicule, although these may seem evident in points of contention that are expressed as concise, oversimplified exposures. Without further dwelling and elaborating on the sore spots, it is apparent to a critical mind that the orthodox belief system that is so enthusiastically advocated is based on some questionable assumptions.

    As said belief system relies entirely on unchallenged tenets and principles, you are correct: the advocate has nothing to discuss with one whose approach is from an unbiased, non-indoctrinated viewpoint.
     
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    What have you posted that requires investigation? You quoted some bible verses and want people to just agree with you on things that you CANNOT prove. The onus lies with you.
     
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    The OT mean git is an allusion to the ruthlessness of wild creative energy and crude matter dominating over spirit and consciousness. With the nice guy Kahuna, the balance has shifted away from mindless energy towards more refinement and the more ideal state where the formerly dominated prevail. However, there were those who sculpted the shift so as to trap the unwary Gentile turkeys.
     
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    On the contrary I'm just a bit mystified that's all. I'm pretty sure you've read the Bible cover to cover and can quote any verse, line or word but do you take it literally? I mean The Bible is the Word of God - What about the Letters that Paul wrote, is Paul God? Paul interprets Judaism into a "modern" concept (modern for his time) Paul is under no illusion that his version is not the only version that is being punted around - there seem to be many "word" of God purveyors which really pissed him off! So what makes his version of the word of God any more valid? Have you any idea of the variety and flavour of the countless proto-Christianities being punted round the empire from the 1st to 4th centuries? I mean being a Brit why did Palegius' version of doctrine not win out or Mani or the Gnostics - why do we suddenly discount all of their thoughts, teachings and ideas and just sit on one bastardised version of political correctness as determined by a Roman Emperor (who wasn't really a Christian despite what people would have us believe) and then call it the word of God!

    So to answer you point...
    ...no Sir, I don't mock I merely add a little lightness to what is a rather hackneyed and trivial topic because most scholars don't even think that the Bible is the word of God. I mean some don't even think its really even about Jesus! Its more about Paul and his version of orthodoxy as approved by the Roman administration.
     
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    Yeah, why not - they/Paul/his scribe/God knows.... created a different "God" to suit their narrative...or Gods since there's three...no there's one....but there's three!
    Ah...but its bit of a mystery really....
     
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    I do not.
    I do not want you to agree with me.
    Where did you get that from?
    Did you even bother to read the FIRST paragraph
    of the thread to which you replied?
    It said this:
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    JAG Wrote:
    I wrote this for Christians only, which should be obvious.
    Circular reasoning?
    Yeah sure it is.
    Well no. Not really.
    Why not?
    Because we Bible believing Christians are already convinced that the Bible
    is the word of God and we're not looking for arguments to support our
    faith beliefs."___JAG
    __________________________________________________________
     
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    Okay.
    My apologies then.
     
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    Yes. I'm literate. I never said that I wasn't Christian, but point taken. I'll exit your "discussion".
     
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    It is still circular belief, and doesn't have to be a formal argument. "I already believed newspaper reports are true." Circular belief. I believe in unicorns ;therefore, unicorns are X.
     
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    There were over 10,000 books that were not included in the Bible that were accepted a scripture by early Christians.

    the Bible was not written by God it was a collection of books that were selected by a council because it best suited to their political and social and religious ideals. Many, Christians, such as the gnostics, didn't agree with what was included in the Bible and where being heretics and murdered as a result.
     
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    You have been told many times that no atheist criticises your god, what they do debate against is the logical inconsistency of the christian god and the things done by christians. Like trying to impose your outdated morals on wider society or teach creation magic instead of science in schools. However you continue to repeat your falsehood
     
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    Yes it is circular reasoning but that aside - I don't see most of the quotes as saying that the Bible is Gods word ?

    Many of your quotes are from Pauline works. No idea how these authors would know what "Gods word" is or is not ?
     
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    What you have demonstrated is you don't know what circular logic is. This is a book I recommend for you people.
    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0030AOBTI/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1
     
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    And they are so smug and in your face about their claimed superiority, i.e., the superiority of ignorance.
     
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    The oldest Bible in existence (at Cambridge) is a scrap of a page that is something like 400 years old.
     
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    I think trolling is a better explanation.
     
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    You are talking to an American Christian. they consider it an attack on their religious rights if someone else who isn't Christian doesn't say Merry Christmas.

    Not believing in their God is the same as criticizing their God to them.
     
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    MJ Davies Writes A Befuddled Post:

    "Not opposed to discussion. I'm opposed to proselytizing. Any casual
    observer to this thread can clearly see you are the one not open to
    discussion and want people to just accept your myopic view of
    Christianity."____MJ Davies

    JET3534 Quotes MJ Davies And JET Says This:
    Read this below and then explain to the thread and your "friends"
    how JAG can write what he wrote below and still be a Troll.
    I wrote every word of this below except where I clearly gave
    credit for the quotes I used. This below is a serious piece. Explain
    how I can be a Troll and still write articles like this below:
    ____________________________

    JAG Writes:
    The subject is Christian Eschatology.
    Eschatology is about the future of Humanity.
    There are 4 different major views of Christian Eschatology {listed below}.
    Postmillennialism is the only one of the 4 that predicts a bright cheerful future
    here on this Earth before human history ends.

    So the question is raised:

    What does the future hold for the Christian Church and the Human Race
    here on planet Earth? The answer is the Human Race has a magnificent
    optimistic bright cheerful future.

    The world will eventually become a Christian world. This will require many
    millenniums yet to come as human history rolls forward. This does not
    mean that every single person on Earth will become a Christian, rather
    it means that the human race, as a race, will be saved and the vast
    overwhelming majority of human beings will, in the far off future,
    become Christian.

    The Lord Jesus' Great Commission To His Christian Church is about
    His Church Christianizing the world:

    The Lord Jesus told His disciples at the end of Matthew's gospel chapter
    28 to go and make disciples of all the nations. His disciples needed power
    to accomplish this great task. The Lord Jesus told them what this power
    was. He said "all authority in Heaven and on Earth has been given to me,
    therefore go and make disciples of all nations . . . teaching them to obey
    all that I have commanded you." Matthew 28:18-20

    The Lord Jesus was serious when He gave His Christian Church her Great
    Commission. His Great Commission is a command and not a suggestion.

    Therefore His Great Commission to go and make disciples of all the nations
    will be successfully accomplished before He returns to Earth to end human
    history -- the world will eventually become Christian. "He must reign until
    He has put all his enemies under His feet." 1 Cor. 15:25
    "For He (God) has put everything under His feet." 1 Cor. 15:27

    The Lord Jesus right NOW is reigning as King over this entire world and He is
    gradually incrementally Christianizing the entire world. Again, how long will this
    take? It will take many many millenniums yet to unfold, but He will be victorious.
    We must be patient. This is going to take very long time.

    Meanwhile . .

    Unfortunately there is a lot of Doom and Gloom and Defeatism
    out there inside 21st century Christendom .

    Christendom holds and presents 4 major views of the future
    of the Christian Church and the Human Race.

    These 4 views are:
    (1) Postmillennialism
    (2) Amillennialism
    (3) Premillennialism
    (4) Dispensationalism

    Of the 4 views only Postmillennialism presents an optimistic
    bright cheerful victorious future for the Christian Church and
    the Human Race. The other 3 views are saturated with Doom
    and Gloom and Defeatism for both the Christian Church and
    the Human race.

    This Post is presenting some general thoughts on
    Postmillennialism and Postmillennialism's optimistic view of
    the future.

    Long live Christian optimism.

    Large swaths of the Christian Church today are awash in
    Gloom and Doom and in Defeatism passed off as being
    spiritual, when in fact the Bible teaches that the Christian
    Church will be victorious. I will build my Church, said the
    Lord Jesus, and the gates of Hell will not prevail against it.
    Go and make disciples of all the nations, said the Lord
    Jesus, because I have now been given all authority both
    in Heaven and on Earth.

    It is sad indeed that Amillennialism, Premillennialism, and
    Dispensationalism repudiates the gospel victory theme of
    the Bible in their modern eschatological speculations and
    replaces this victory theme with a defeatist scheme of the
    future of the Christian Church and Human race. This
    paralyzes Christian cultural efforts and eliminates the
    practical significance from the Christian worldview, and
    gives Christians a sinful comfort in lethargy because all
    this Defeatism and Doom and Gloom tends to justify
    social and cultural irresponsibility. "Why polish brass
    on a sinking ship", ask many misinformed Christians.

    Here is an excellent definition of Postmillennialism:

    "Postmillennialism holds that the Lord Jesus Christ established
    His kingdom on earth through His preaching and redemptive
    work in the first century and that He equips His church with the
    gospel, empowers her by the Holy Spirit, and charges her with
    the Great Commission to disciple all nations. Postmillennialism
    expects that eventually the vast majority of men living will be
    saved. Increasing gospel success will gradually produce a
    time in history prior to Christ's return in which faith,
    righteousness, peace, and prosperity will prevail in the
    affairs of men and nations. After an extensive era of such
    conditions the Lord will return visibly, bodily, and gloriously,
    to end history with the general resurrection and the final
    Judgment after which the eternal order follows."
    ___ Dr. Kenneth L. Gentry.

    Christianity is slowly Christianizing the world.

    Christianity started small in numbers. There was a time in the 1st century
    at the very beginning of Christianity when the number of Christians in the
    world was less than 12. Today, some 2000 years later, there is some 2.3
    billion Christians in the world. We have a name for this. We call it progress.

    America today has over 1300 Evangelical mega-churches with weekly
    attendance of over 2000. The Roman Catholics have over 3000 churches
    with a weekly attendance of over 2000. This is Christian progress in the world.

    Christianity is growing like wildfire in the Global South for example in Africa.
    There is a huge Christian Church in China. House Church.
    .Christianity is huge in South Korea and in South America and Central America.
    The American Christian Church is still a vibrant force in the World. All this is
    Christian progress in the world.

    ■ The Lord Jesus "shall have dominion from sea to sea" Psalm 72:8
    ■ "The whole Earth will be filled with His glory." Psalm 72:19
    ■ "All the nations will call Him blessed." Psalm 72:17
    ■ The Lord Jesus really meant it, when He commanded His Christian
    Church to "go and make disciples of all the nations." Matthew 28:19

    "As of the year 2015, Christianity has more than 2.3 billion adherents,
    out of about 7.5 billion people. The faith represents one-third of the
    world's population and is the largest religion in the world, with the three
    largest groups being the Catholic Church, Protestantism, and
    the Eastern Orthodox Church."__wikipedia

    At the end of human history , , ,
    The Book Of Revelation says that there is a great multitude of the saved
    from every nation, tribe, people and language and they are so numerous
    that no one can count them.

    "After this I looked and there before me was a great multitude that no one
    could count from every nation, tribe, people, and language, standing
    before the throne and in front of the Lamb. They were wearing white
    robes . . .and they cried out . . . Salvation belongs to our God who sits
    on the throne and to the Lamb." Revelation 7:9-10

    JAG
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    And YOU were the one that said:
    "What you have demonstrated is you don't know what
    circular logic is. This is a book I recommend for you people"___JET3534

    My view is that YOU need to read some books on Logic? Because you
    post nonsensical comments like accusing me of being a Troll. Do you
    do that because YOU have HATE in your heart for Christians?

    YOU were the one that accused me of being a Troll. Now explain
    how I can be a Troll when I consistently present posts that have
    the same seriousness as the one I wrote above.

    JAG
     
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    JET3534,
    You write absurd nonsensical posts.
    Your posts are childish.
    Your posts are at the Third Grade level of maturity.

    Did I seek you out and try to get you to come over here to visit this thread? No I did not.

    Did anyone else FORCE you to come over here to this thread? No they did not.

    Are you aware that participation in threads is 100% voluntary? Yes you know that.

    So?

    So explain to the thread and to your "friends" how I am being "smug."
    smug - having or showing an excessive pride in oneself

    So explain to the thread and to your "friends" how I am being "in your face."

    So explain to the thread and to your "friends" how I have "claimed superiority."

    I did NOT seek you out.
    YOU were the one that sought me out.
    I did NOT ask you to come over here and read my Opening Post.
    That was 100% YOUR idea.




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    The only scriptures available to Timothy at his upbringing were Hebrew scriptures and they didn't mention Jesus.
     
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    a book saying the book is true - lol - that proves it
     
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    quotes like this, tell me the bible is the word of man

    http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy 22:28-29&version=NIV

     

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