1stvermont vs Derideo_Te -Evidence for the God of the Bible and Atheism

Some Creation Predictions

“A real scientist is searching for truth about nature and not materialistic explanations “
-enzyme expert Dr matti Leisola published over 120 papers which have been sited over 1,3000 times in the scientific literature


I would Predict That the World and Living Things Would Appear Designed

“biology is the study of complicated things that have the appearance of having been designed for a purpose.”
-Richard Dawkins, R. 1986. The Blind Watchmaker. London: WW Norton & Company, 1.

“Biologists must constantly keep in mind that what they see was not designed, but rather evolved.”
-Crick, F. 1988. What Mad Pursuit: A Personal View of Scientific Discovery. London: Sloan Foundation Science, 138.


When we view design in a automobile or a computer or even an arrowhead we conclude there must be a designer. Yet when we view biological features such as the human cell that is far beyond the complexity of a computer or car. And when we see design in “nature” we reject the obvious because of its theological implications and our commitment to materialism and naturalism.

“Our claim that nature’s design is produced by a real designer can be tested by observation and is mathematically quantifiable. Furthermore, compared to the legacy of evolutionary thinking, it liberates minds to pursue more rational approaches toward scientific research.”
-Randy J. Guliuzza, P.E., M.D. 2011


Complexity of Life


“If you could build a motor one millionth of a millimetre across, you could fit a billion billion of them on a teaspoon. It seems incredible, but biological systems already use molecular motors on this scale.
-Feringa, B. L. 2000. Nanotechnology: In control of molecular motion. Nature. 408 (6809): 151-154.


DNA can make 300,000 proteins and tell them how, were , how many and when.Some functions of cellular machines.DNA maintenance robots that proofread information, unwind the double helix, cut out defects, splice in corrections, and rewind the strands . Intracellular elevators. Mobile brace-builders that construct distinct internal tubular supports. Spinning generators that move molecules from low to high energy states. Ratchet devices that convert random molecular forces to linear motion. Motors that whirl hair-like structures like an outboard motor. A microscopic railroad with engines and tracks see [A 1997 Nature article by Steven Block detailed the "Real engines of creation" that included a discussion of sub-cellular structures composed of springs, rotary joints, and levers--all made of protein.2 Block, S. M. 1997. Real engines of creation. Nature. 386 (6622): 217-219.]

“there is enough information in the cell to store the encyclopedia Britannica, all 30 volumes of it three or 4 times over”
-Richard Dawkins the blind watchmaker p115 1986

Werner Gitt (Professor of Information Systems) describes man as the most complex information processing system on earth. Gitt estimated that about 3 × 1024 bits of information are processed daily in an average human body. That is thousands of times more than all the information in all the world’s libraries. Biological machines can store, repair, transmit, decode and translate information. Each cell has enough information to fill books to the moon and back 500 times over.

“if all this very densely coded information from one cell of one person were written in books, it would fill a library of about 4,000 books. If all the DNA in your body were placed end-to-end, it would stretch from here to the Moon more than 500,000 times! In book form, that information would fill the Grand Canyon almost 100 times. If one set of DNA (one cell’s worth) from every person who ever lived were placed in a pile, the final pile would weigh less than an aspirin!”
Walt Brown In the beginning

Biovision harvard

http://multimedia.mcb.harvard.edu/

protein being made



Two free quick videos on complexity

http://creation.com/DNA-repair-enzyme

free 4 part video of the complexity of the human reproduction systems

http://www.answersingenesis.org/media/video/ondemand/fearfully/fearfully-wonderfully-made

the hearing ear

http://www.answersingenesis.org/media/video/ondemand/hearing-ear/hearing-ear

the seeing eye

http://www.answersingenesis.org/media/video/ondemand/seeing-eye/seeing-eye


Animals Would produce After Their own Kind


Let the earth bring forth living creatures after their kind, cattle, and creeping things, and beasts of the earth after their kind: and it was so.
-Genesis 1.24

I will predict that animals reproduce after there own kind. In Genesis it says that animals reproduce after there own kind. One kind will not evolve into another kind. And since Creation was finished after day 6, I will predict

no new organs, no new genes, Enzymes, biological systems and no new information will ever evolve that was not already present in the biosphere. I would also predict the creator would create organisms with a great amount of variety to adapt to changing environments, but that the changes are limited and come from only what was finished on day 6.


The Fall of man Decay of the Genome Information and Mutations









Creation and evolution are perfect beliefs to compare because they are opposite of each other. Evolution says originally incomplete, simple and evolving ever upwards to greater complexity. Creation says originally perfect, complex, and since the fall, a downward trend and falling apart. So creationist would say mutations destroy the original creation and say mutations will not lead to an increase in information. So creation says any change that happens will be downhill or variation and this is all we have ever observed.


“dna is “letters and instructions manual” on how to assemble organisms "genes spell out the information required to build proteins"
-Jonathan k Pritchard p42 oct 2010 scientific American professor of human genetics at the university of Chicago

All organism contain information without information there is no life. Evolution has failed to provide a mechanism to originate information. Information and all the biological change we observe [losing information not gaining] is constant with creation. In fact wherever information is observed, in all life examples, language, computer codes, DNA etc It was started by intelligence, intelligence with a purpose. Nowhere do we ever see information [biological or otherwise] arise from any source other than intelligence with a purpose. Information is contained within our DNA, so it had to have a intelligence with a purpose to originate that information.

‘biological information is not encoded in the laws of physics and chemistry … (and it) cannot come into existence spontaneously. … There is no known law of physics able to create information from nothing.’
-Davies, P., The Fifth Miracle, Penguin, Melbourne, Australia, 1998.

“A code system is always the result of a mental process (it requires an intelligent origin or inventor) ... . It should be emphasized that matter as such is unable to generate any code. All experiences indicate that a thinking being voluntarily exercising his own free will, cognition, and creativity, is required.There is no known natural law through which matter can give rise to information, neither is any physical process or material phenomenon known that can do this. “There is no known law of nature, no known process and no known sequence of events which can cause information to originate by itself in matter.
-Werner Gitt Ph.D. head of the Department of Information Technology at the German Federal Institute of Physics and Technology Director and Professor at PTB


Worldwide Flood


“And the waters prevailed exceedingly on the earth, and all the high hills under the whole heaven were covered. The waters prevailed fifteen cubits upward, and the mountains were covered. And all flesh died that moved on the earth: birds and cattle and beasts and every man”
-Genesis 7 19-21

If a worldwide global flood actually happened, what would we expect to see? Would we not predict billions of dead plants and animals laid down rapidly by water all over the earth? what do we find? Billions of dead plants and animals laid down rapidly by water all over the earth. Wouldn't we expect to see thousands of feet of water deposited sedimentation? Sea creatures buried on top of mountain ranges all over the earth “all the high hills under heaven” land creatures buried with sea creatures in watery catastrophic burial graveyards?

https://answersingenesis.org/fossils/fossil-record/high-dry-sea-creatures/
https://answersingenesis.org/store/product/rock-strata-fossils-and-flood/?sku=30-9-219

I would also predict since all mankind are descendants of those on the ark, there would be flood legends worldwide about a global flood. I would also predict this lineage and bottleneck would show in our genetics.

https://usstore.creation.com/mitochondrial-eve-and-the-3-daughters-of-noah-dvd
http://creation.com/noah-and-genetics

 

Puerile illogical false premise GIBBERISH duly noted and ignored for obvious reasons.

You have FAILED to debunk the FACT that atheism is NEITHER a belief nor a religion.

Atheism still stands on it's own definition and no amount semantic quibbling on your part alters the definition.

DEFLECTION #10 without any shred of credible evidence to support your IMAGINARY deity.

 

Origin of Life- Life Comes From Intelligence

Since god created the world and created life to reproduce after itself. Than life comes from life and originated with intelligence. Evolution claims life evolved from lifeless unintelligent matter. The scientific law of biogenesis states “life can only come from other life.” Evolutionist must reject this universal law of nature and believe in spontaneous generation disproved hundreds of years ago. If some intelligent scientist someday get together and create life, that just proves it takes intelligence to create life, it will not happen in nature.


Non Material

I would predict there would be non material things like logic, memory, laws of nature, morality, information, intelligence, morality all would be constant with creation and a non material creator. How does a atheistic, materialistic, naturalistic worldview es plain the origin of non material things listed above.

The creation of the universe must be non material, if it were material, it would be subject to decay like all matter. So the creator must be nonmaterial, spiritual, and eternal see psalm 90.2.


There Would be no Dating Methods that Scientifically Prove the Earth is Older Than 10,000 years and there would be false assumptions of flaws with any Method that Claims an age Older than 10,000 Years. I Predict There Would be Evidence the World Cannot be That old

http://creation.com/young-age-of-the-earth-universe-qa
http://creation.com/qa#Geology
http://www.icr.org/evidence-recent
https://answersingenesis.org/age-of-the-earth/
https://answersingenesis.org/astronomy/age-of-the-universe/


Irreducible complexity

Many organisms and biological systems simply could not have evolved by a step by step process but must have been created fully functional. For example, Protein machines are needed to read DNA, but the protein machines themselves are codded for in the DNA. Or the heart, kidney and lung all work together, without any one of them the others could not survive. enzymes controlled dna systems replication-dna controlled rna systems transcription-rna controlled protein sythesis translation. How do things like immune system digestive system evolve?

“development genetic toolkit” according to evolution this toolkit must have originated in some common ancestor to all phyla, before first appearance of phyla, prior to Cambrian explosion, prior to muticulular life. The gens that control body plans had to originate, when there were no bodies to control embryonic development.

Developmental biologists have observed a small set of genes coordinating organismal development of body plans—and these are present across the multicellular kingdom, in the various phyla and classes. Evolutionists call this the ‘Developmental Genetic Toolkit’. According to evolutionary thinking, this complex toolkit must have originated in some common ancestor to all the phyla. But that common ancestor must have existed prior to first appearance of these phyla—in other words, prior to the Cambrian Explosion. The common ancestor (whose identity is still unknown) must have existed in the Pre-Cambrian— prior to the origin of multicellular life. In short, the genes that control body plans had to have originated when there were no bodies. The genes that control embryological development had to have originated when there were no embryos.

“At the point when the modern animal body plans first emerged [half a billion years ago] just about all the genes that are used in modern organisms to make embryos were already there. They had evolved in the single-celled world but they weren’t doing embryogenesis [Mazur’s braces]” (Stuart Newman, p. 52).

Natural selection cannot solve that problem: it cannot ‘look ahead’ and create an embryological toolkit for some future use. It cannot develop the ‘tools’ for making multicellular bodies when there are no multicellular bodies. Natural selection is insufficient, so once again evolutionists are appealing to mechanisms of self-assembly and self-organization.Stuart Newman’s paper, which “served as the centerpiece of the Altenberg symposium” (Mazur, p. 12), claims that all 35 or so animal phyla physically self-organized by the time of the Cambrian explosion, and selection followed later as a ‘stabilizer’ of the self-organized novelties.

“Look, when Sherman stresses that the sea urchin [which has no eyes] has, in-expressed, the genes for the eyes and for antibodies (genes that are well known and fully active in later species), how can we not agree with him that canonical neo-Darwinism cannot begin to explain such facts?” (Massimo Piattelli-Palmarini, p. 321).

A review of The Altenberg 16: An Exposé of the Evolution Industry by Suzan Mazur

North Atlantic Books, Berkeley, CA, 2010


There are many things like the bacteria flagelum that has 40 parts that would not work together unless all are there from beginning.

http://www.google.com/search?q=bact...oI_O40gHByIDYDw&ved=0CCIQsAQ&biw=1280&bih=835

“ heart and placenta. A pregnant woman’s placenta secretes progesterone, a hormone that signals her tiny baby’s cells to take up less cholesterol. Cholesterol is a vital component of all body cells, including heart cells, and the placenta regulates cholesterol levels. Thus, the healthy development of a baby’s heart depends on the mother’s placenta. Likewise, the placental cells would fail to manufacture progesterone or perform their other vital tasks without a blood supply, which the mother’s heart generates. Thus, the placenta and heart function interdependently to knit a baby.So, which came first? The heart could not have come first since it would not have formed without the placenta. But if the placenta came first, it could not have worked without a heart. Both organs had to arise simultaneously, pointing toward a sudden miracle!”
http://www.icr.org/article/7692/


sexual reproduction needs complete complementary reproductive organs, but evolution is not goal orientated or able to plan ahead, how could all the complex organs develop over thousands of generations when the organism cannot produce without them? And suppose to happen in same place and time?

Complexity of reproductive system

http://www.answersingenesis.org/media/video/ondemand/fearfully/fearfully-wonderfully-made

symbiotic relationships as well fit with creation predictions, showing intelligence and design.


Fully-Developed Organs

All species appear fully developed, not partly developed. They show design. There are no examples of half-developed feathers, eyes, skin, tubes arteries, veins, intestines, etc, or any of the vital organs. Tubes that are not 100% complete are a liability; so are partially developed organs and some body parts. For example, if a leg of a reptile were to evolve into a wing of a bird, it would become a bad leg long before it became a good wing.


I will predict that man all over throw out all time will have sense of a creator and worship something greater than themselves.


You have to convince yourself creation is not true later in life. People are born to know the obvious, this planet was designed.

“Psychologists have been surprised to find that children believe in a creator God regardless of whether they are exposed to religious faith. They reported that children in Britain and Japan gave similar answers when asked who created various natural objects. The children had abstract notions of a Creator despite not having been influenced by concepts of God from organized religions. As the Oxford University psychologist leading the study reports, her Japanese research assistants were surprised at the children’s responses, given that ‘We Japanese don’t think about God as creator — it’s just not part of Japanese philosophy.’

Religion Today, <http://www.religiontoday.com/Archive/NewsSummary/>, November 2, 1999

http://creation.com/children-see-the-world-as-designed ]with hilarious video of evolutionary determination.

children see the world as purposeful and designed[
new scientist 201 [2694] 30-33 2009

children believe in a creator god
creation 22 [2] 2000

"The preponderance of scientific evidence for the past 10 years or so has shown that a lot more seems to be built into the natural development of children's minds than we once thought, including a predisposition to see the natural world as designed and purposeful and that some kind of intelligent being is behind that purpose," he told BBC Radio 4's Today programme.

"If we threw a handful on an island and they raised themselves I think they would believe in God."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/rel...re-born-believers-in-God-academic-claims.html

Religion comes naturally, even instinctively, to human beings, a massive new study of cultures all around the world suggests."We tend to see purpose in the world," Oxford University professor Roger Trigg said Thursday. "We see agency. We think that something is there even if you can't see istudies around the world came up with similar findings, including widespread belief in some kind of afterlife and an instinctive tendency to suggest that natural phenomena happen for a purpose. Children in particular found it very easy to think in religious ways," such as believing in God's omniscience[, said Trigg

http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2011/05/12/religious-belief-is-human-nature-huge-new-study-claims/

Moral sense in humans
built in U of n.carolina Joshua knob philosophy

“By elementary-school age, children start to invoke an ultimate God-like designer to explain the complexity of the world around them—even children brought up as atheists.”
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304311204579505574046805070

“Creationism—and belief in God—is bred in the bone”

(p. 112). Bloom, P. 2005. Is God an accident? The Atlantic Monthly, December 2005, pp. 105–112.

“ A growing body of evidence suggest that humans do have a rudimentary moral sense from the very start of life, you can see glimpses of moral thought moral judgment and moral feelings even in the first year of life.”

“some sense of good and evil seems to be bred in the bone”[

babies know the difference between good and evil at six months study revels www.dailymail.couk
9 may 2010

 

Science makes sense in a Biblical Worldview -If evolution were true than science would not make sense

"The naive view implies that the universe suddenly came into existence and found a complete system of physical laws waiting to be obeyed. Actually it seems more natural to suppose that the physical universe and the laws of physics are inter-dependent."
W.H. McCrea, "Cosmology after Half a Century," Science, Vol. 160, June 1968, p. 1297.
‘If the solar system was brought about by an accidental collision, then the appearance of organic life on this planet was also an accident, and the whole evolution of Man was an accident too. If so, then all our present thoughts are mere accidents—the accidental by-product of the movement of atoms. And this holds for the thoughts of the materialists and astronomers as well as for anyone else’s. But if their thoughts—i.e. of materialism and astronomy—are merely accidental by-products, why should we believe them to be true? I see no reason for believing that one accident should be able to give me a correct account of all the other accidents. It’s like expecting that the accidental shape taken by the splash when you upset a milkjug should give you a correct account of how the jug was made and why it was upset.’ C.S. Lewis (1898–1963), The Business of Heaven, Fount Paperbacks, U.K., p. 97, 1984.


Evolution undermines the preconditions necessary for rational thought,thereby destroying the very possibility of knowledge and science. Evolutionist say we are nothing but random matter and chemicals getting together for a survival advantage. They say we are the result of hydrogen gas, than rain on rocks, than millions of years of mutations. So why should i trust them that what they are telling me is true? If there just evolved slimeology how do i know they have the truth? Why should i aspect one accident [our brain] to understand another accident the world? Would i believe bacteria or chemicals if they taught me a class on science? Were just higher animals there is no reason to trust them or to know for sure they are telling the truth. We could not know that we were even viewing the world properly, how do we know our eyes, ears, and brain memory are getting the right information? There is no way to know. We could be in some matrix world. Or as evolutionist recently in scientific American said we could be like a fish in a bowl that is curved giving us a distorted view of reality.[P 70 the theory of everything scientific American oct 2010 ] Science would be impossible unless our memories was giving accurate info and our senses our eyes ears etc also laws of logic are needed. How does matter produce a organism with memory? regularity in time space-uniformity is needed to do science and to have knowledge otherwise our experiments would be pointless, and we would not be able to make any predictions astronomy depends on this almost entirely. The universe is understandable we assume the universe is logical orderly and it obeys mathematical laws that is how we can make predictions. Freedom to chose and consider various options free will. Evolutionist only believe in evolution because the chemicals in there brain are making them believe that, they did not come to some objective decision but random mutations that gave a survival advantage make them. The only reason i believe in creation is because the chemicals in my brain make me. science need us to be able to know our senses are giving us the correct information, our eyes ears memory etc how do we know we are correctly interpreting actual reality? evolutionist say anyone should be rational with beliefs logic etc is inconstant with evolution after all were just evolved pond scum, it assumes we were created.

But if creation is true than i would expect us as created by a intelligent creator to be able to properly understand nature. I would expect to be able to know im getting the right information, that i can trust that we are in a orderly universe that follows laws that make science possible. so that we were able to do repeatable lab experiments etc.

That there would be things like laws of logic, reliability of our memory, reliability of our senses, that our eyes, ears are accurately giving us the correct information, information to be able to do science in the first place.

Why should i believe that one accident our brains can properly understand another accident the big bang? how can matter acted on by mutation only for a survival advantage produce laws of logic? this is illogical matter cannot do this matter cannot produce nonmaterial things this is against science and against logic. If biblical creation were not true than we could not know anything if we were not created by god we would have no reason to trust our senses, and no way to prove or know for sure.



morality

"In a universe of blind physical forces and genetic replication, some people are going to get hurt, and other people are going to get lucky; and you won’t find any rhyme or reason to it, nor any justice. The universe we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is at the bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil and no good. Nothing but blind pitiless indifference. DNA neither knows nor cares. DNA just is, and we dance to its music."
Richard Dawkins, --Out of Eden, page 133

“The modern age, more or less repudiating the idea of a divine lawgiver, has nevertheless tried to retain the ideas of moral right and wrong, without noticing that in casting God aside they have also abolished the meaningfulness of right and wrong as well. Thus, even educated persons sometimes declare that such things as war, or abortion, or the violation of certain human rights are morally wrong, and they imagine that they have said something true and meaningful. Educated people do not need to be told, however, that questions such as these have never been answered outside of religion”
Atheist philosopher Richard Taylor

http://www.reasonablefaith.org/a-christian-perspective-on-homosexuality#_ednref3

Most everyone would agree with one of the following. The murder of innocents is wrong, the enslavement of people because of their race is wrong, or the mistreatment of animals is morally wrong. Everyone has some issue they believe to be a moral violation and “wrong” or that it should not be done. However morallity is inconsistent with an evolutionary worldview in which there is no logical basis for “good” or “bad.” By making such a statement, the evolutionist is actually borrowing morals from the Christian worldview and the Bible in order to claim something is “wrong” Within a naturalistic, evolutionary worldview, morality is merely a matter of subjective opinion. So, whether something such as murder or slavery is wrong depends on each person—because it’s merely the result of chemical reactions in our brains. I could just as easily say murder is good [weed out unwanted reduce population for nature etc] And if I get a big enough group together, we can decide that the others are wrong. The combined random chemical reactions in our brains form the majority, which makes you wrong—at least until another majority comes along. Without any ultimate standard, we could go back and forth all day saying this is right or that is right. As silly as this scenario sounds, it is one of the only arguments evolutionists have for anything that resembles morality. Absolute morals only make sense in a Christian worldview—they come from the One who knows what is good because He is the standard for good. The only One who fits that description is the God of the Bible, the Creator of the universe. So, for example, if the Nazis had won World War II and succeeded in brainwashing or exterminating everyone who disagreed with them, so that everybody would think the Holocaust had been good, it would still have been wrong, because God says it is wrong, regardless of human opinion. Morality is based in God, and so real right and wrong exist and are unaffected by human opinions. In fact an evolutionist only feel ,murder, rape etc are wrong because the random chemical reactions in your brain make you feel that way. Not because it truly is right or wrong. I may be like hitler and think murdering is good, what makes your random chemical reactions correct and mine wrong?They have no right to tell another person [random chemical reactions] That thinks murder, rape, sexism are good. there is no way to know if you, and not the other person have the right chemical reactions. In fact there is no "right" reactions, or good or bad. Our ideas of right and wrong, under this system, are merely artifacts of some chemical processes that occur in the brain, which happened to confer survival advantage on our alleged ape-like ancestors. But the motions in Hitler’s brain obeyed the same chemical laws as those in Mother Teresa’s, so on what grounds are the latter’s actions ‘better’ than the former’s?

"if it all happens naturalistic whats the need for a god? cant I set my own rules? who owns me? I own myself".
Jefery dahmer DVD documentary Jeffrey Dahmer the monster within


Also, why should the terrorist attack slaying thousands of people in New York be more terrible than a frog killing thousands of flies? As one student who stabbed to death his teacher said

““I know it’s uncivilised but I know it’s incredibly instinctual and human. Past generations of life, killing is a route of survival.“It’s kill or be killed. I did not have a choice. It was kill her or suicide.“
Rayner, G., Boy, 16, winked at fellow student before stabbing teacher Ann Maguire to death as she tried to flee, telegraph.co.uk, 3 November 2014.


“Evolutionist Jaron Lanier showed the problem, saying, “There’s a large group of people who simply are uncomfortable with accepting evolution because it leads to what they perceive as a moral vacuum, in which their best impulses have no basis in nature.”
In reply, Dawkins affirmed, “‘All I can say is, That’s just tough. We have to face up to the truth.”

William Provine, a prominent American atheist evolutionist and professor at Cornell University, put it this way:

Let me summarize my views on what modern evolutionary biology tells us loud and clear. . . There are no gods, no purposes, no goal-directed forces of any kind. There is no life after death. When I die, I am absolutely certain that I am going to be dead. That’s the end for me. There is no ultimate foundation for ethics, no ultimate meaning to life, and no free will for humans, either.

 

Genesis is the Only True Account of Creation


Genesis 1:1

1:1 created. No other cosmogony, whether in ancient paganism or modern naturalism, even mentions the absolute origin of the universe. All begin with the space/time/matter universe, already existing in a primeval state of chaos, then attempt to speculate how it might have “evolved” into its present form. Modern evolutionism begins with elementary particles of matter evolving out of nothing in a “big bang” and then developing through natural forces into complex systems. Pagan pantheism also begins with elementary matter in various forms evolving into complex systems by the forces of nature personified as different gods and goddesses. But, very significantly, the concept of the special creation of the universe of space and time itself is found nowhere in all religion or philosophy, ancient or modern, except here in Genesis 1:1.

Appropriately, therefore, this verse records the creation of space (“the heaven”), of time (“in the beginning”), and of matter (“the earth”), the Tri-universe, the space/time/matter continuum which constitutes our physical cosmos. The Creator of this tri-universe is the triune God, Elohim, the uni-plural Old Testament name for the divine “Godhead,” a name which is plural in form (with its Hebrew “im” ending) but commonly singular in meaning.

The existence of a transcendent Creator and the necessity of a primeval special creation of the universe is confirmed by the most basic principles of nature discovered by scientists:

(1) The law of causality, that no effect can be greater than its cause, is basic in all scientific investigation and human experience. A universe comprising an array of intelligible and complex effects, including living systems and conscious personalities, is itself proof of an intelligent, complex, living, conscious Person as its Cause;

(2) The laws of thermodynamics are the most universal and best-proved generalizations of science, applicable to every process and system of any kind, the First Law stating that no matter/energy is now being created or destroyed, and the Second Law stating that all existing matter/energy is proceeding irreversibly toward ultimate equilibrium and cessation of all processes. Since this eventual death of the universe has not yet occurred and since it will occur in time, if these processes continue, the Second Law proves that time (and, therefore, the space/matter/time universe) had a beginning. The universe must have been created, but the First Law precludes the possibility of its self-creation. The only resolution of the dilemma posed by the First and Second Laws is that “in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.” The so-called big bang theory of the origin of the cosmos, postulating a primeval explosion of the space/mass/time continuum at the start, beginning with a state of nothingness and then rapidly expanding into the present complex universe, contradicts both these basic laws

Henry M. Morris is Director of the Institute for Creation Research, as well as the Academic Vice-President of Christian Heritage College. He received his Ph.D. in hydraulics, with minors in geology and mathematics



The Fossil Record Creation Orchard vs Evolutionary Tree







". . intermediate links? Geology assuredly does not reveal any such finely graduated organic change, and this is perhaps the most obvious and serious objection which can be urged against the theory [of evolution]."—*Charles Darwin, Origin of the Species, quoted in *David Raup, "Conflicts Between Darwin and Paleontology," in Field Museum Bulletin, January 1979




These drawings are based on the predictions of the two worldviews. The top drawing is one of Darwin's tree of life based on common ancestry. The bottom is of the creationist orchard. Creationist predict all animals were created as separate kinds and they would reproduce after there kind. So the prediction is the fossil record would show distinct body types with slight variation [such as we see today]. Darwin's tree of life has been so completely contrary to the fossil record evolutionist are being forced to abandon it.


new scientist admits Darwinist tree “lies in taters torn to pieces by an onslaught of negative evidence”
"For a long time the holy grail was to build a tree of life. We have no evidence at all that the tree of life is a reality."
Dr Eric Bapteste New scientist Darwin was wrong cutting down tree of life 201 2692 24 January 2009


Charles Darwin's tree of life is 'wrong and misleading', claim scientists
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/4312 … tists.html


Textbooks are full of lies, distortions and myths about missing links that suposidley prove evolution. But when these are shown false, frauds, exaggeration and lies. The other trillions of fossils fit a typical pattern, that patter matches the creationist predictions. This is why 99% of the time creationist in debates will bring up the fossils record not the evolutionist.


"In any case, no real evolutionist, whether gradualist or punctuationist, uses the fossil record as evidence in favor of the theory of evolution as opposed to special creation." —*Mark Ridley, "Who Doubts Evolution?" in New Scientist, June 25, 1981, p. 831.


"...I still think that to the unprejudiced, the fossil record of plants is in favour of special creation. - E.J.H. Corner (Professor of Botany, Cambridge University, England), “Evolution” in Anna M. MacLeod and L. S. Cobley (eds.), Contemporary Botanical Thought (Chicago: Quadrangle Books, 1961), p. 97[84]HYPERLINK "http://conservapedia.com/Evolution#cite_note-83"[85]

 

Cambrian Explosion


“And we find many of them [Cambrian fossils] already in an advanced state of evolution, the very first time they appear. It is as though they were just planted there, without any evolutionary history. Needless to say, this appearance of sudden planting has delighted creationists.” Richard Dawkins, The Blind Watchmaker (London: W.W. Norton & Co., 1987), p. 229.
“To be honest ,to most people not emotionally invested in the matter it falsifies Darwinism, something is wrong at the core of Darwinian theory” Walter Remine p 26 JOC 2012 26 [1]

What is known as the Cambrian explosion has caused many paleontologist to give up on evolution. When Charles Darwin was asked he said “I can give no satisfactory answer.” In the Cambrian fossils first appear in the record they show up in large numbers, fully formed, diverse and maintain there basic body type through the entire geological column without a hint of an evolutionary gradual past. All of the phyla and many lower taxonomic levels appear suddenly in the Cambrian rocks. That means no new phylum in the millions of years of evolution appear after the Cambrian period.

“all of the known animal bodies plans seem to have appeared in the Cambrian”
Rudolf raff evolutionary biologist 2009

‘Evolutionary biology’s deepest paradox’. That was how a Scientific American article described an evolutionary problem concerning the so-called ‘Cambrian explosion’ J. Levinton, ‘The Big Bang of Animal Evolution’, Scientific American, November 1992, pp.52–59

"The invertebrate animal phyla are all represented in Cambrian deposits." —*Kai Peterson, Prehistoric Life on Earth, p. 56


“The most famous such burst, the Cambrian explosion, marks the inception of modern multicellular life. Within just a few million years, nearly every major kind of animal anatomy appears in the fossil record for the first time ... The Precambrian record is now sufficiently good that the old rationale about undiscovered sequences of smoothly transitional forms will no longer wash.” Stephen Jay Gould, “An Asteroid to Die For,” Discover, October 1989, p. 65.

 

DEFLECTION #11 without any shred of credible evidence to support your IMAGINARY deity.

DEFLECTION #12 without any shred of credible evidence to support your IMAGINARY deity.

DEFLECTION #13 without any shred of credible evidence to support your IMAGINARY deity.

DEFLECTION #14 without any shred of credible evidence to support your IMAGINARY deity.

Regurgitating DEBUNKED pablum is obviously all you actually have.

Sad!

 

DEFLECTION #15 without any shred of credible evidence to support your IMAGINARY deity.

DEFLECTION #16 without any shred of credible evidence to support your IMAGINARY deity.

DEFLECTION #17 without any shred of credible evidence to support your IMAGINARY deity.

 

So I think it seems to me you are having a hard time grasping these arguments since you claim they are not in support of God the Creator as revealed in the Bible. I thought you just wanted more. But I think now is the time to go through each one so I can help you understand why they would point to the god of the bible and not your imagined atheistic creator. So let's do one at a time and I will explain.

Let's start from the beginning.


What is Biblical Creation?

I believe in Christianity as I believe that the sun has risen: not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else.
- C. S. Lewis

We believe Noah's flood was global killing all land dwelling life at that time. We believe this is confirmed by the fact that there are trillions of dead plants and animals laid down by water in massive graves all over the earth. We believe the earth was created in 6 literal days thousands of years ago. We believe this is confirmed by the many dating methods that show the earth cannot be millions of years old and the false assumptions and problems with dating methods such as radiometric dating. We believe all animals produce after their own kind and all the genetic information was there in the original created kinds. We believe this is verified by science and observation.

I believe there was a original perfect creation that is now falling apart because of sin and the curse. Now death, disease, mutations have entered gods once perfect creation. This is why we see stars blowing up, people and animals dying, decaying and breaking down. Everything tends towards disorder, complex to disorder. Evolution says the opposite, disorder to order, incoplex to greater complexity over time, they cannot be further from each other. Evolution claims it all started from nothing that exploded in a big bang that produced hydrogen which is a order less tasteless invisible gas. So they say out of this gas stars started to form planets and than galaxies the higher elements were created, than the earth formed a hard crust surface were it rained for billions of years on the rocks that magically created life. That life was able to eat, reproduce etc, than that single celled organism gave rise to all life on earth so it increase in complexity. So matter must be able to go from simple to complex, disorder to order, if evolution is true. Really evolutionist must believe that hydrogen gas, a order less tasteless, invisible gas, given long enough will turn into people. Creation says the opposite complexity and order to disorder.



Explanation

Usually in debate its good to tell your opponent a general idea of where you come from what you believe etc




Next- Biblical Creation- Natural Selection and Speciation

I am a biblical creationist I believe everything was created to reproduce after its own kind, dogs produce dogs, cats produce cats etc There is alot of variety in these animals so that a dog, coyote, and wolf have a common ancestor, but it was from the original dog kind, they have know varied and produce the many kinds today. But all the information was already present the variation we see in animals today was already present in the original producing kind.

http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/nab/is-natural-selection-evolution
http://creation.com/refuting-evolution-chapter-2-variation-and-natural-selection-versus-evolution
https://creation.com/variation-information-and-the-created-kind






So in the above picture on the left we see how variation can lead to genetic change in a population. The original created pair of dogs had the genes for both Long [L] and short fur . They produced a variety in their offspring where some received only Long fur genes and some only short fur genes. This is a very basic example of how variation within the kind that eventually leads to speaciation [dog, wolf, coyote] happens. The picture on the right is an example of this. The original dog kid's descendants spreads out over various terrain and those with short fur survive better than those with longer fur in the hotter climate and natural selection favors those with short fur and the long fur die out. In the north the long fur have the advantage and the short fur die out. But all the original information to produce the genes for long fur and short fur are already present in the original biblical kind.


“natural selection is therefore likely to be important in evolution. However, natural selection does not explain the origin of new variants, only the process of changes in their frequency....But evolution is more than merely a change in trait distributions or allele frequencies; it also includes the origin of the variation.... Natural selection only affects changes in the frequency of the variants once they appear; it cannot directly address the reasons for the existence of the variants.”
--Endler, John A., Natural Selection in the Wild, Princeton University Press, New Jersey, USA, 1986



Explanation

So I continue to give you information of what the Bible teaches and to show how the bible is supported by observation and science.

 

Biblical Kind

21 So God created great sea creatures and every living thing that moves, with which the waters abounded, according to their kind, and every winged bird according to its kind. ...24 Then God said, “Let the earth bring forth the living creature according to its kind: cattle and creeping thing and beast of the earth, each according to its kind”; and it was so. 25 And God made the beast of the earth according to its kind, cattle according to its kind, and everything that creeps on the earth according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.
-Genesis 1

The bible says God created life to reproduce after its own kind. God created various separate distinct kinds [not species] of animals. So a wolf coyote and dog shared a common ancestor. Today we often use the term species for multiple animals within the same biblical kind. For example a camel and a llama can breed. A Lynx and a bobcat, yak and cow, lion and tiger, leopard and jaguar, dingo and dog, coyote and dog, gray wolf and coyote, killer whale and bottle nose dolphin, a zebra and donkey, a zebra and horse and on and on. Because these species all originated from the original biblical kind God created they can still interbreed. They have since diversified but all the potential for change was within the original kind God created.







Biblical Creation and Mutations




Mutations happen but all observation and experimentation shows they work against evolution. Mutations reduce information in an organism they do not build up. See http://creation.com/the-evolution-trains-a-comin

It really is in my opinion the best argument for creation and the best refuter of evolution. Evolution needs to increase complexity over time through mutations, yet all observation shows the opposite. Take the example above of antibiotic resistance. Antibiotic-resistant H. pylori have a mutation that results in the loss of information to produce an enzyme. This enzyme normally converts an antibiotic to a poison, which causes death. But when the antibiotics are applied to the mutant H. pylori, these bacteria can live while the normal bacteria are killed. So by natural selection the ones that lost information survive and pass this trait along to their offspring. This process cannot exspalin the origin of the enzyme.

“Not even one mutation has been observed that adds a little information to the genome . This surly shows that there are not the millions upon millions of potential mutations the theory evolution demands.”
-L.spetner not by chance 1997

Some mutations are beneficial such as the above, or a insect on a island that has a mutation so it does not produce wings, know lives while the others that did not have the mutation die off, so know this insect with the new mutation lives and passes on its genes till the whole island is know mutated wingless insects. Yet this is the wrong kind of change for evolution [reduced destroying] yer constant with biblical creation.



Explanation

So we see here the biblical account verified by science. Thus this gives evidence to its claims of being of divine origin.

 

Biblical Creation and Global Flood

If a worldwide flood occurred, what would we expect to see? Billions of dead plants and animals laid down rapidly by water fossilized all over the earth. What do we find? Billions of dead plants and animals laid down rapidly by water fossilized all over the earth. Rapid burial of billions of dead plants and animals over long distances is just what would be expected in a worldwide flood. It is universally accepted that sedimentary rock was laid down by moving water. so the material making up strata had to first been eroded from one place and transported by water and deposited in another. This is exactly what you would aspect in a global flood. In the17th and 18th century it was generally accepted a universal flood produced the worlds rock layers and fossils. flood conditions are perfect for for forming fossils. No one would argue that the entire earths surface has not been at some time underwater. Marine fossils are found throughout the whole geological column, showing that ocean waters were over continents throughout whole column formation. fossils must be buried fast to be preserved. compared to modern flash floods if there was a year long global flood the amount of sediment fits almost perfectly in gemological column. For light reading on the major evidences for a global flood see here

https://answersingenesis.org/the-flood/geologic-evidences-for-the-genesis-flood/

A great video on flood evidences
http://www.answersingenesis.org/PublicStore/product/Rock-Strata-Fossils-and-the-Flood,5631,229.aspx
Books on the global flood
http://www.answersingenesis.org/PublicStore/product/Earths-Catastrophic-Past,6438,226.aspx
http://www.answersingenesis.org/PublicStore/product/The-Flood,6211,229.aspx
https://answersingenesis.org/store/product/global-flood/
https://usstore.creation.com/how-noahs-flood-shaped-our-earth
http://www.creationscience.com/onlinebook/


Evolutionist fulfill a profacy of the bible by rejecting the global flood by claiming Unitarianism. The present is key to the past and slow gradual Unitarianism is how modern geologist often interpret the rock record, “all things continue as they were from the beginning.”


“knowing this first: that scoffers will come in the last days, walking according to their own lusts, 4 and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation.” 5 For this they willfully forget: that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of water and in the water, 6 by which the world that then existed perished, being flooded with water.”
- 2nd peter 3 3-7


Explanation

This is very straightforward. A great test to see if its claims are true. If there was a worldwide flood then that would authenticate its account, if not it is false. Further, if the prophecy that people in the last days would reject the flood due to uniformitarianism [as they do] that would further verify the God of the bible prophetic knowledge.

 

DEFLECTION #18 without any shred of credible evidence to support your IMAGINARY deity.

You appear to be suffering under some illusion that you are first to do data dumps of this DEBUNKED DRIVEL.

I hate to break it to you but there is an entire forum dedicated to this GIBBERISH and it has ALL been EXPOSED as complete and utter NONSENSE already!

It all FAILS to rise to the level of CREDIBLE EVIDENCE that can withstand critical scrutiny.

REPEATING the same mistake is NOT going to make the least bit of difference.

In essence your have NOTHING to support your own fallacious superstitions.

 

DEFLECTION #19 without any shred of credible evidence to support your IMAGINARY deity.

DEFLECTION #20 without any shred of credible evidence to support your IMAGINARY deity.

Let's just SUMMARIZE what has occurred so far.

You have utterly FAILED to refute the DEFINITION of atheism.

You have utterly FAILED to produce any shred of credible evidence to support your IMAGINARY deity.

Continuing your endless WASTE of STORAGE SPACE on the PF forum database, bandwidth and time is POINTLESS.

You have NOTHING!

Debate over!

Have a nice day!

 

Biblical Creation and the Age of the Earth

I then make multiple posts on why the earth cannot be as old as claimed. This supports the God of the Bible since his book claims young earth while your faith claims an old. Thus again verifying the God of the bible.

Irreducible complexity
Origin of Sexually Reproduction

This shows that life could not have evolved piece by piece but must have been done all at once. A creator, a God.

The Cambrian Explosion

Shows varied life from the beginning consistent with the creation of the world by the God of the bible.

Origin of non Material Things like Information, Love, Memory, Laws of Logic, Science, Morality etc

If evolution were true and all there was is just matter and motion. How could things like love memory morality information exist? showing a logical,moral created order, one that fits the biblical description.


Science only Makes Sense in a Biblical Worldview

‘If the solar system was brought about by an accidental collision, then the appearance of organic life on this planet was also an accident, and the whole evolution of Man was an accident too. If so, then all our present thoughts are mere accidents—the accidental by-product of the movement of atoms. And this holds for the thoughts of the materialists and astronomers as well as for anyone else’s. But if*their*thoughts—i.e. of materialism and astronomy—are merely accidental by-products, why should we believe them to be true? I see no reason for believing that one accident should be able to give me a correct account of all the other accidents. It’s like expecting that the accidental shape taken by the splash when you upset a milkjug should give you a correct account of how the jug was made and why it was upset.’
-C.S. Lewis (1898–1963),*The Business of Heaven, Fount Paperbacks, U.K., p. 97, 1984.

“Either human intelligence owes its origin to mindless matter or there is a creator. Its strange that some people claim that it is their intelligence that leads them to prefer the first to the second”
-John Lennox prof fellow of mathematics and philosophy of science oxford university 2009

Evolution undermines the preconditions necessary for rational thought, thereby destroying the very possibility of knowledge and science. Evolutionist say we are nothing but random matter and chemicals getting together for a survival advantage. They say we are the result of hydrogen gas, than rain on rocks, than millions of years of mutations. So why should i trust them that what they are telling me is true? If there just evolved slimeology how do i know they have the truth? Why should i aspect one accident [our brain] to understand another accident the world? Would i believe bacteria or chemicals if they taught a class on science? Were just higher animals there is no reason to trust them or to know for sure they are telling the truth. We could not know that we were even viewing the world properly. How do we know our eyes, ears, brain, and memory are getting the right information? There is no way to know. We could be in some matrix world or as evolutionist recently in scientific American said we could be like a fish in a bowl that is curved giving us a distorted view of reality.[P 70 the theory of everything scientific American oct 2010 ]

Science would be impossible unless our memories were giving accurate info as well as our senses such as our eyes and ears . Laws of logic are needed as well. How does matter produce a organism with memory? Or a consciousness. If this comes from mere machines [us] they why would not machines gain consciousnesses? Science needs us to be able to know our senses are giving us the correct information, our eyes ears memory etc how do we know we are correctly interpreting actual reality? Also regularity in time space-uniformity [not uniformitarism] is needed to do science and to have knowledge otherwise our experiments would be pointless, and we would not be able to make any predictions.

Yet the universe is understandable, we assume the universe is logical and orderly as it obeys mathematical laws. That is how we can make predictions. Freedom to chose and consider various options free will not deterministic “dance to the sound of our genes” as Richard Dawkins described it. In fact if evolution is true evolutionist only believe in evolution because the chemicals in there brain are making them believe that, they did not come to some objective decision but random mutations that gave a survival advantage make them. evolutionist say anyone should be rational with beliefs logic etc is inconstant with evolution after all were just evolved pond scum, it assumes we were created.

But if creation is true than i would expect us as created by a intelligent creator to be able to properly understand nature. I would expect to be able to know im getting the right information, that i can trust that we are in a orderly universe that follows laws that make science possible. so that we were able to do repeatable* lab experiments etc. That there would be things like laws of logic, reliability of our memory, reliability of our senses, that our eyes, ears are accurately giving us the correct information, information to be able to do science in the first place. If biblical creation were not true than we could not know anything if we were not created by god we would have no reason to trust our senses, and no way to prove or know for sure.

 

Design and Complexity

Showing intelligent creator fAR BEYOND OUR OWN, ONCE MORE FITTING THE BIBLICAL gOD. Sorry 4 caps.


Fully-Developed Organs

Showing must be created at once, a creator not an imaginary atheistic universe.

Law of Thermodynamics


Showing the creation of the universe must be non material because if it was material it would be subject to decay like all material, so the creator must be non material spiritual and eternal psalm 90.2

 

The Second Law of Thermodynamics

Consistent with the fall in genesis.

The Fossil Record

Showing all animals were created fully formed and reproduce after their own kind as the Bible says.

 

DEFLECTION #21 without any shred of credible evidence to support your IMAGINARY deity.

DEFLECTION #22 without any shred of credible evidence to support your IMAGINARY deity.

DEFLECTION #23 without any shred of credible evidence to support your IMAGINARY deity.


Do YOURSELF a favor and go through this entire link. It will take you about TWO HOURS and at the end of it you will have ALL the answers you need from me.

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/id/program.html

 

Creation predictions


I would Predict That the World and Living Things Would Appear Designed

This just shows a designer, not an imaginary belief in rejecting one.


Complexity of Life

Shows that creator is of higher intelligence then we.


Animals Would produce After Their own Kind

Proving the biblical account correct.

The Fall of man Decay of the Genome Information and Mutations

Proves the biblical account.

Worldwide Flood

Shows the bible right once more.

 

Origin of Life- Life Comes From Intelligence

Verifying the bible claim.


There Would be no Dating Methods that Scientifically Prove the Earth is Older Than 10,000 years and there would be false assumptions of flaws with any Method that Claims an age Older than 10,000 Years. I Predict There Would be Evidence the World Cannot be That old

Thus showing its account true.


Science makes sense in a Biblical Worldview -If evolution were true than science would not make sense

Since we can do science, it shows a creator and rejects false imaginary idols of atheism.


Genesis is the Only True Account of Creation


Showing only the bible's creator is true.


The Fossil Record Creation Orchard vs Evolutionary Tree

SHowing the bibles claims true.

 

So what we see here over and over is the bible verified and atheism false anti-logic and anti-science. Thus unless we wish to reject science, logic to embrace wild imaginary tales, we must be Christian. Of course, you are welcome to dispute any of these subjects as that is what you are supposed to do in a debate. Of course, we both know your indoctrination will not allow it, you can only do as told and none is here to tell you what and how to think. You have been kept safe within the walls of your temples [goverment schhol] and your approved textbooks and high priest just tell you want you like while your drink in the cool-aid and blue pill. But i do hope you try at least. Your support of your imaginary atheistic universe was terrible and a defence against its faults, non-existant, at least show up somewhere in this debate rather than run and hide. But I do think you prove why we have atheist.

“People dont believe lies because they have to, but because they want to”
-Malcolm Muggeridge

“Absolute stranglehold materialistic atheism has on every thought that is allowed to be considered in the scientific and educational realms. This makes the American classroom one of the most censored, thought-controlled locations on the planet.”
-John Morris and Frank Sherwin The Fossil Record: Unearthing Nature's History of Life 2017

“Its been said that when human beings stop believing in god they believe in nothing. The truth is much worse, they believe in anything.”
- Malcolm maggeridge


Naturalism enjoys a virtual monopoly in today's classrooms, while instructors who have been schooled only in naturalistic worldview play the part of evolutionary evangelist.”
-John D Morris and Frank J Sherwin The Fossil Record 2017

 

Oh the irony...

 

Care to support in a 1v1 debate? I can set up the thread. You can argue that I am so indoctrinated I cannot support my own positions. We could call it the irony debate. To make it more fun you could tell me your worldview [i can guess it pretty sure of course] and we can test your indoctrination as well. Let me know but please do not interrupt our 1v1 debate thread. I hold out hope Derideo_Te is getting help from his high priests whoever they might be and is going to come back with some great arguments and responses.

 

sorry I missed this. But you give away your indoctrination. You cite the Propaganda Broadcasting System and a show because this show like your high priest via education told you a story about the world, and you believed them on faith alone since you cannot critically think, you are not a skeptic, therefore you assume I would by faith alone believe everything as you did. I once did this is true. But I was lied to too many times. I will show how many times and how often they do lie to get us to believe in naturalism/atheism with many examples on our other debate topic thread. If you have given up here, I will start on that thread. Tell me when.



http://www.politicalforum.com/index...iberal-naturalistic-philosophy-exists.568330/

 

Oh God no, You don't debate you just copy and paste.
However, since you asked nicely I'll leave you alone with your right clicks.

 

dont be so shy. How and what could I copy-paste? please support your post, start the thread. Also I should not be blamed for having debated an issue many a time and keeping my material. Much better than unwilling to support claims wouldn't you agree?