2016 Trump Tower Meeting Looks Increasingly Like a Setup by Russian and Clinton Operatives

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  1. BuckyBadger

    BuckyBadger Well-Known Member

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    Actually, most innocent people of Trump's stature would be raging over false accusations. Obama raged in a different way, he actually abused his power to have those he did not like, investigated and arrested and the liberals are raging today by carrying out a corrupt investigation to try and overturn an election they lost.

    People rage in different ways.
     
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    Exactly a guilty person tries to deflect, like saying "it's a setup." LOL
     
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    bois darc chunk Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If they have the evidence, what excuse are they using not to prosecute? When you get that answer, you'll understand my position. I'm not saying she's squeaky clean. I'm saying without sufficient evidence, she's not going to be charged, and Comey testified under oath that he did not have sufficient evidence for charges and no reasonable prosecutor would bring charges based on the evidence he had.

    You say the Special Counsel is corrupt and I say Trump is not acting like an innocent man. How do we make sure that no man is above the law, in a country where our Constitution guarantees equal treatment under the law? Trump has worked overtime attempting to discredit the investigator and the investigation, and has fired those that started the investigation. Few people believe Trump, but some do. Apparently you believe Trump. You're welcome to do so, but that doesn't make Trump innocent.

    Having a corrupt and grifting Trump and Company in charge of the country is not preferable to having a corrupt Clinton and Company in charge of the country. Corrupt and grifting needs to go completely.
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Or by creating a dossier.
     
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    Exactly, Trump cannot be guilty because the dossier is fake. See how he plays this game. LOL
     
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    bois darc chunk Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What accusations? No charges have been placed on Trump. All Mueller has asked him to do is to interview and tell his side of the story, which Trump has been dodging since January. Why not sit down and tell his side, if he is innocent? Even Trey Gowdy told Trump, "If you didn't rob the bank, there's no reason not to talk about bank robbery."

    Trump is told of things coming from the FBI/DOJ. He knows the Manafort jury is deliberating. He also knows about Omarosa's book, and that she seems to have evidence to back up her claims… and some of them are damning. If she has evidence that Trump knew about the DNC emails before Wikileaks published them, she has evidence of collusion. She knows Trump is suing and she's going ahead with the book. That sure looks like she has receipts. Time will tell.
     
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    The Hillary investigation was rigged from the start and all the way through to the very end. The double standard is what angers most Americans and was a direct contribution to why she was not elected. Most people wanted to see her back under investigation and even punished for her criminal activity. So, I would say a lot of people believe Trump. Media biased does not show what Americans really believe.

    I think Trump is correct thinking the investigation is a fraud. Also notice, he hasn't stopped it from moving forward. I think he should have squashed it from the start and Sessions should have told Trump he would recuse himself so a new AG could be selected. An AG that can actually run the DOJ.

    I don't think any politician or any POTUS is completely honest and without fault. With that said, Trump did not "collude" or "conspire" with Russia to get elected. He got elected because people didn't want Hillary in office. IMO< for good reason. She is a less than honorable human being. Less so than Trump.
     
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    Obvious facts worth mentioning. Article II extends to none of the meetings attendees. Manafort, who took notes, wasn't indicted for "collusion". We can stop pretending Mueller is investigating a Russia / Trump conspiracy. Bob wants to charge Don jr with a process crime. Lying about the Trump tower meeting.. Not the content, not the Russians ... Mueller has never even contacted Veselnitskaya. Natalia was sent by Simpson, and offered "dirt" Glenn claimed he had. It was a setup designed to disgrace, and result in criminal denials.
     
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    He hasn't contacted her because he knows she worked with Fusion.
     
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    Indeed.
     
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    Grokmaster Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I'd say that's glaringly obvious as the entire Trump Tower set up was....
     
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    Do you think Dossier is true? Do you think the DNC funding this with the collaboration of the FBI, DOJ, CIA and possibly even the White House was credible? Was spying on another political campaign really in the best interest of the country to manipulate election results? Is the media biased really helping Americans or fanning the flames of a civil war?

    You really believe Omarosa or just hoping all of this is true so we can impeach the President?
     
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    Yes, it is fake. Comey admitted it. The author himself admitted it in UK court.

    Yet they still used it.
     
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    bois darc chunk Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I'm an independent, so I don't get caught up in the left/right, Republican/Democrat sports mentality politics. Obama wasn't perfect and Trump sure isn't. I don't think Trump will be impeached, but I do think Congress should push back on some of the things he has done, but they won't for partisan power. That makes me angry.

    I'm going to let time tell the Trump tale and hold on to the things I believe. I'm just very happy to see that my views are in step with the majority of Americans. As long as our elections actually reflect the will of the voters, I'm good with that.
     
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    Because prosecutors don't care if you're innocent, particularly the people on Mueller's team who, as I have indicated before, have a penchant for sending innocent people to jail and withholding evidence.

    Omorosa has no evidence, or it would already be playing 24-7 on CNN. This is the next in a long line of "Fire and Fury", "Stormy", "Russia Russia Russia" nonsense.
     
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    Exactly.

    The fact that the TDS left is STILL trying to pretend "Trump colluded with Russia!", despite ZERO PROOF of that, and that the OBVIOUS Russian collusion of the Hillary Campaign/DNC/FusionGPS is a "conspiracy theory", despite MASSIVE PROOF OF IT, is a testimonial to the ideological blinders their emotion-based illogical bias has given them.
     
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    Grokmaster Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Really? Please cite all the conservative positions you hold, to "balance" your views.
     
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    Yes ... exactly. Veselnitskaya was deposed by congression committee, and deposed voluntarily. The other reason is the perplexing Veselnitskaya special visa. Natalia was expelled by Obama. Obama, who enacted Magnitsky. Suddenly Veselnitskaya is allowed to return and assist Simpson in fighting Magnitsky seizures? What threat Natalia posed at the time of her expulsion I cannot say ... but given the reason she asked to return, as well as her subsequent conduct, we can assume no one thought she'd turned over a new leaf.
     
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    Given to her by none other than one Loretta Lynch.
     
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    I don't know if the Dossier is true or not. I know that it has been described as "raw intelligence." I did read that Christopher Steel (Steele?) was concerned about anti-Clinton bias in the FBI, when he was seeing what he thought was some very real connections between unsavory Russians and people in the Trump campaign. Steel's a Brit, with no allegiance to the US, yet what he saw made him concerned enough that he made efforts to get the information to those with the ability to look into it.

    Campaigns have been doing oppo research for as long as I have followed politics, and I'm old. Nixon resigned as I started my Senior year in high school. Generally, campaigns do oppo on their own candidate too, just so they can counter any weakness their opponent learns about. Remember that Trump was trying very hard to get some bad stuff on Clinton, just as Clinton was trying to get bad stuff on Trump… but she never got the dossier during the campaign. He did get the stolen emails though.

    The media's job is to get us the information, all of it, and let us decide. I get news from lots of sources and don't depend solely on the MSM. I shudder to think what kind of manipulative things someone could do to America, if we didn't have a free press and our news was controlled, like it is in autocracies.

    Omarosa has very little credibility with me. The only thing I can see, in her favor over Trump's, is that every time she's been challenged about something she said, she has had a recording to prove she was right. She made Katrina Pearson look like a foolish liar. She has evidence of Lara Trump trying to buy her silence, and hire her for the 2020 campaign, AFTER she was fired from the White House… to the tune of $15,000 a month. A MONTH… for 3 YEARS!! That's half a million dollars… to stay quiet. Why would the Trumps do that if there wasn't something to hide? Also, that's fraud.

    There's lots of smoke, burning embers, and burnt wood… call me crazy if you like, but I suspect there is an actual fire in there too.
     
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    You should get to Ohio then, where there is a sudden influx of 115 year old Democrats voting there.
     
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    I am not the topic of this thread and have nothing to prove to you.
     
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    bois darc chunk Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Dunno… maybe she does, maybe she doesn't. Time will tell.

    The world is watching these prosecutors, and they know it. I suspect they will cover all the bases, and if they don't, feel free to be critical of them.
     
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    What does this have to do with Trump or this thread?
     
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    What?

    Not a single tape has backed up anything Omarosa has said, other than that she was fired. There is no tape with Trump saying anything remotely close to what she said.

    There are some tapes where she tries to convince the people in the phone conversation that a tape exists, but that's it.

    Even her friends and the liberal MSM are rolling their eyes at Omarosa.

    How do you get that offering her a job means that she was offered a job to stay "quiet"? You're not always offered a job as a bribe, you know.

    $15k a month is 180k a year, which isn't a whole lot to bribe someone with. A sitting senator makes that much.

    She was making $179k AT HER CURRENT JOB IN THE WHITE HOUSE. Great bribe.

    https://people.com/politics/omarosa-tape-eric-trump-wife-15k-a-month-job-firing/

    “And that all the money that we raise and that pays salaries is directly from donors, small-dollar donors for the most part. So, I know you, you were making 179 at the White House. And I think we can work something out where we keep you right along those lines,” Lara continues, later adding, “So that’s $180,000. Does that sound like a fair deal for you?”
     
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