2017 Is Watergate in Reverse

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http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-uranium-russia-deal/[/QUOTE]

Donations to the Clinton Foundation, and a Russian Uranium Takeover
By WILSON ANDREWS APRIL 22, 2015

Uranium investors’ efforts to buy mining assets in Kazakhstan and the United States led to a takeover bid by a Russian state-owned energy company. The investors gave millions to the Clinton Foundation over the same period, while Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton’s office was involved with approving the Russian bid. Related Article

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive...n-foundation-donations-uranium-investors.html

 

Donations to the Clinton Foundation, and a Russian Uranium Takeover
By WILSON ANDREWS APRIL 22, 2015

Uranium investors’ efforts to buy mining assets in Kazakhstan and the United States led to a takeover bid by a Russian state-owned energy company. The investors gave millions to the Clinton Foundation over the same period, while Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton’s office was involved with approving the Russian bid. Related Article

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive...n-foundation-donations-uranium-investors.html[/QUOTE]

These lefties are hucksters, through and through.

 

Not saying they didn't meddle, just saying it had nothing to do with the outcome. The American people finding out how crooked the DNC and the campaign was is what lost them the election.

As for a majority supporting Obamacare, nobody was allowed to see it until they passed it so how could they support it. Many are still supporting it today event though it is about to implode.

 

These lefties are hucksters, through and through.[/QUOTE]
Sorry, these Canadians give money to the Clinton Foundation and that is evidence of what, exactly?

 

Why did the Russians and Saudis stop sending cash to the Clintons just recently?

 

Lemme get this straight:

There are rumors of Russian dirty play prior to the elections. So a plethora of US spying bureaus and offices decide to spy on it a little bit harder than they do on the every day citizen. Turns out their spying catches some Trump fishes along with the Russian ones.

So, logically, Trump and the un-conditional accuse Obama, personally, to have spied on him, also personally. Questions are:

1- Do you really think it came from Obama, once again personally? Does the President have to approve every tap committed by governments-inside-governments for decades?

2- Who gave these governental services such scrutinizing powers on their own citizens? Did you care then, when it was done in the name of "security" and why do you care now?

3- What would you have done yourself as a head of a public security outfit if you had heard such rumors of Russian play? Damn if you do, damn if you don't.

I believe you guys are stretching this thing out even more than the Benghazi one. Get real, will you? You are making this board look like a political neophyte one.

 

Well I don't know who spied on who and really don't care much. I do care however about the 1st amendment and our freedom of speech. How many times have people made statements on here and even on twitter without any facts to back them up called opinions. Everyone in the US are allowed to make their opinions known because of freedom of speech. Does becoming President of the United States mean you loose your rights and freedoms? Trumps twitter messages should be seen as opinions and not as formal accusations and he has the right to them.

 

I cannot agree more.

In theory, you are right.

In practice, however, there's this thing called politics. The people don't always like it but yet here it is. And in practice, a man of Trump's position puts himself at many levels of harm by ignoring politics.

Imagine if Obama was mean enough to sue for libel, for exemple. That's another right we've got.

If Trump is blissfully ignorant of politics, it's about time he gets informed about them, since he's President and stuff.

 

Re: "slim majority supporting Obamacare", I was referring to polling of today, not seven years ago. And it isn't about to implode, you've been reading to much right wing noise. It does need to be tweaked though, the Democrats have been proposing fixes to the majority Republicans but it seems they aren't interested. Also, the "crookedness" of the DNC & campaign is not what cost them the election but, if it fits the narrative you prefer, feel free to spout it.....it certainly isn't what cost Ms. Clinton the election though.

 

I hope Trump turns the IRS against left wing groups.

 

It's a little different than Watergate in execution. Nixon's people wiretapped targets of their surveillance. Obama's surveillance was indirect. They wiretapped or otherwise surveilled people Trumps transition team would have to call in the course of their preparation: the Russian Ambassador being one, the Australian PM being another. When those conversations were leaked and innocent participants revealed to give the appearance if collusion with Russia and problems with Australia, Trump was right to assume that he was being wiretapped. He was, though indirectly. The law is clear, that the raw data from a FISA warrant is not to be released before innocents involved in captured conversations and what they said are masked. The Obama Administration leaked the names. Just as in the Nixon case, Obama attempted to cover up his crimes by changing the rule about raw data, making it available to 17 agencies around the world in hopes so much classified information would have leaked all over the world nothing could be pinned on him.

It remains to be seen what comes out about the last black president until after the closed meeting with intelligence heads next week ,,, if anything is reported.

 

Actually, I can't. I was a big Rush fan back in the 80s and early 90's before he went insane. Bill Clinton's election apparently drove him over the edge and now every AM radio host tries to be more "Rush" than Rush. If find the three hour long barrage of stupidity more than a reasoned mind can endure.

Perhaps we should force ISIS prisoners to listen to that. Then again, there is the Geneva Conventions.

 

And the people on the other side read CNN. Theres really no difference.

 

In essence, the law was broken by the past administration by leaking the information to Obama administration Progressives that released the information selectively to the press and the public. Both the people within the intelligence community and those in the administration that leaked the information for political reasons violated the law and should be found, indicted and tried for violating such.

 

Well politics is the water that makes up the swamp of DC. Maybe it is time to start draining the swamp and bring DC to the people.

 

Well obamacare has gotten to expensive for so many people that is is cheaper for them to pay the penalty than to buy insurance it is failing.

If being known as crooked didn't loose her the election and the Russians clearly didn't make her loose then why did she loose? Was it like I said before, that Trump played the game better and understood the process better?

 

Yes anyone who leaks classified material should found and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law and if found guilty serve their full sentence in prison as a warning to others in the future.

 

Politics isn't just corruption and incompetence - It's also altruism and idealism, two thing you won't find in the private sector Trump comes from. Being politician isn't a crime.

We need politicians; idealistic, honest politicians, men and women of vision.

 

There were no rumors that the Trump Tower had been wiretapped. Trump made it up. Get that through your skull.

Trump made a global fool of himself, and the Trumpster clowns are busy manufacturing fake news about it.

 

Where has it gotten us? Do you really think Hilary was honest?

"men and women of vision" You mean men and women of your vision.

 

I thought Trump was a better campaigner than Clinton, more energy and hit the right spots. It didn't hurt that he lied to the voters every single day and they bought the lies. Clinton made some serious mistakes, one was not paying enough attention to MI & WI. Three states cost her the election - PA,MI & WI. These 3 normally safe Democrat states cost her the electoral college, she lost by something like 78,000 votes in total over the 3 states. This out of a national total of about 137 million votes. She decisively beat Trump in the popular vote, by almost 3 million votes, a margin of 2.1% which wasn't far off final national vote polls.

Comey certainly didn't help with his bombshell statement about 11 days before the election saying they needed to look into e-mails on a Weiner computer - and then 9 days later (2 days before the election) giving the all clear. This was a killer for Clinton, especially in the states above.

Testimony from top US officials has revealed the Russians hacked into the election process for the purpose of damaging the Clinton campaign and helping the Trump campaign. Who knew that on November 8, 2016 there was only one candidate under FBI investigation - Donald J. Trump. How do you think Trump would have done if Comey issued a statement 2 weeks before the election saying the FBI has been investigating the Trump campaign since July 2016 for collusion with the Russians on influencing the federal election? He would have lost in a landslide.........

 

Well installing Wall Street bankers in the Cabinet isn't exactly draining the swamp

 

Not for a moment. HRC is the antithesis of a good politician, which is IMO closer to what Obama was. Trump too, in a way, is an ideologist, but his vision is impaired by self-importance and his ignorence of anything politics. He is falling into the same "reality trap" that Obama encountered himself. the difference is in how they deal with it, hence, politics.

Not necessarly - there are what I would call "political nemesis" that were, nonetheless, great people who accomplished a lot, the primary exemple being former Canada Prime Minister P.E. Trudeau, father of the current one.

 

Isn't that exactly what the Progressive Marxist Left continues to tell us? The sad part is that they are highly political, idealistically tied to their failed ideology of narrow vision and exceedingly dishonest.

 

Then explain why now the directors of said agencies now claim the opposite.

Obama administration surveilled Trump transition team ...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...v-t-surveillance-Trump-s-transition-team.html
... and others in the Trump transition team were clearly put ... were named as Trump associates under FBI ... team who claim they were ...