2020 House Control?

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  1. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Based on our history since 1933, chances are you are correct. We are bombarded with laws everyting the Democrats resume power and apparently they sell it to the public, though I can't explain why. Nobody loves new laws like Democrats.

    Trouble is, those laws are laws everyone must then obey even though they are unaware of such laws, they can still be put in prison for violating Democrats laws. Democrats deny liberty and everybody should fight them.

    Despite the investigations of Trump, what do the Democrats offer? Revenge investigations.

    Democrats have reviled republicans in power for decades. This is why they Borked a Judge and why they hated Reagan tough for a time Reagan had it better, but in the end they have nothing good to say about Reagan, nor the two Bushes nor Trump.
     
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    They are Juan Valdez's grandchildren.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Democrats killed two party government for California.
     
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    Someone said, "I think its likely that democrats will sweep the house, senate, and presidency in 2020 and redraw districts in their favor. But conservatives will control the Supreme Court for decades." And I am fine with that.
     
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    Yup, and the House was overwhelming Dem.
     
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    And they will do the same all over America if they can
     
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    This is why Hitler got his start. People approving his rise.
     
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    That's why Trump got his start: people approving his rise.
     
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    Sounds like the Trumpers right miss the pre-1933 days of Plessy v Ferguson and Dred Scot

    There is no problem with, 6 or 7 or 8 or 9 or whatever Justices.
     
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    Thoughts on this have changed rapidly since the stolen seat of a two time dully elected president that enjoyed popular support.

    Republicans are openly cheering they have elected partisian ideologues to various courts, so I wouldn’t be surprised if Democrats seek to counter this,
     
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    If the Dems take the House, the Senate, and the WH next year: the Senate will end cloture and go with a simple majority vote on any legislation.

    The first issue they will address will be the federal judiciary. Expect SCOTUS to be expanded to 11 seats with the passing legislation requiring a 2/3ds majority later on to change it.
     
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    I think that both parties have weaknesses. Going over Republican problems, they tend to not care as much about civil liberties, deny climate change, ignore the abuses by the rich and power and ignore growing inequality, their policies tend to help the rich the most and cost the poor the post, they are way too much into war and military spending, and are more likely to have crazy conspiracy theories or anti-science and be very disconnected from the facts like we have seen from Trump's many falsehoods. They still haven't worked on fixing our financial system so 2008 doesn't happen again, protect net neutrality, or end gerrymandering.
     
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    This is not accurate. We embrace climate change. Democrats object to climate changing. We We have consistently fought FOR civil rights. Take women's right to vote. We fought FOR that. We fought to free slaves. We fought for civil rights agreed to by LBJ. Why Democrats allege we are Anti civil rights is unknown to me. We do not notice the rich abuses Democrats allege. So there you have a point. Equality is a state of mind absent the Democrats laws. Those make us unequal.

    We do want people to prosper but not solely the poor. Besides no democrat has proven at any time they fight to cure poverty. Take any City run by Democrats, poverty is rampant there. If they intended to cure poverty, in these many decades, they would have by now. They have had virtually all the law making since 1933. So if you want to blame, blame Democrats.

    Actually you are virtue signaling is all. Take all of our wars, the major wars were committed by Democrats. Abe the outlaw being the major war engaged in by Republicans and there I agree. He was wrong to go to war.

    We do not see the poor as the wards of Government. We see how well Churches, (private) Foodbanks (Private) and Donors (private) do to direct help to the poor instantly. Government forces the poor to submit to audits, proof of income, proof of funds available and need and reams of papers to submit to Government merely to get any help. We private citizens do not do that to the poor.

    We admit to military spending. I personally would shake it way back down but congress won't do it. Democrats spend on military also.

    Democrats must spend on military to feed their wars. Gee, I can't think of a war domestically that was not started by Democrats other than the war of Abe the outlaw back in 1861.

    Supposedly when Democrats forced Dodd Frank down our throats, they cured the reason for the 2008 crash. Are you aware that Australia is in free fall nearly in housing prices yet we can't blame Bush for that one, can we? Being in that business, i know what caused the 2008 crash and it was not Bush.

    Had Democrats agreed to a major proposal by Bush, the crash was not about to happen. Even Greenspan did not see any danger signs.

    Net neutrality would greatly aid we republicans because we could force all the media to accurately report events. We could cure the lies told by the MSM including PBS. So on that we might agree.

    You want to see Gerrymandering? Visit CA where the Democrats have virtually put republicans out of operations. We have no say so in the congress or the governorship of our state. They also pulled a rather clever trick by forcing us to vote for only Democrats at election time.
     
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    I predict the Democrats will adopt the CA Democrats plan to entirely run all Governments.
     
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    What are you attempting to discuss (in red)?

    We cheer the way Trump seeks to cause the SC to stick to the constitution and not try to change it and not do it correctly. The right way to shift things in the SC is to pass different laws.
     
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    You should not drink early in the morning. The mueler thing will be over by then, the want are the dems going to run on? The dems have to run a centrist candidate for president. If they nominate somebody from the Warren/Harris/Booker tree and they run against Trump in this economy Trump will be successful in painting it as a socialist movement and scare enough voters to stay with him. Trump may be a bore, but the economy is running great, It is tough to unseat an incumbent in a good economy.
     
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    You seem to bring up a lot of stuff that happened in the past, like 100 years ago. What really matters is what the parties support today, right now. It is the Republicans who support increasing military spending not the democrats. It was the Republicans who started the war in Iraq and tend to be more supportive of ground intervention in foreign nations.

    When it comes to private charity, its only going to do so much. For example, when private citizens tried to donate to Trump's wall, we only got about 20 million in donations, far below the 20 billion needed. Thats why we have taxes. You also failed to mention how you would make sure the 2008 crash doesn't happen again.

    You blame democrats for not ending poverty, even though Republicans have failed on this too. You also attack democratic cities for being poor, but poor people often come to cities for opportunities, which makes them have more poor, and there are many poor Republican states in the south with poverty. You fail to address how we will make sure that growth will get to workers as well as the wealthy.

    You talk about forcing the media to report accurate, but you don't address the freedom of the press or how you would make these measures objective to stop lies from both the right and left wings. It is true that both parties do gerrymandering, but most gerrymandered states are Republicans and Republicans have publicly stood for gerrymandering, while liberal justices have struck it down.

    You talk about embracing climate change but don't mention the 5-9 degrees of predicted temperature change by 2100 or the threat from rising sea levels. You also don't try to propose an alternative explanation to why the planet is warming.
     
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    The direction of the Mueller investigation is unknown and we just aren't sure how this thing is going to end. Economists are predicting an economic slowdown in 2019 and a possible recession in 2020s. Wage growth has been lackluster and there is a widening skills gap that keep many from the good jobs. Most of the growth and Trump's tax cuts have gone to the top, while healthcare and especially housing costs have skyrocketed. Even with a "good" economy, Republicans were crushed in the 2006 and 2018 elections.

    Democrats do run the risk of being painted as radical socialists, but if they don't propose populist reforms, then there won't be a reason to vote for them over Republican. I think the key is to propose popular populist reforms like medicare for all and higher taxes on the wealthy while making America a good place for business.
     

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