2020 Independents Less Likely To Vote For Democrats

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  1. Egoboy

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    Your question got lost in translation.... None of those 3 people are slime... The 4 Republicans I listed are, for starters...
     
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    LOL! Schiff out right lied. Pelosi has changed the House rules to block any Republican and Nadler is just a rambling fool. Have you not noticed this?
     
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    So you hate Trump and any action withdrawal of troops or keeping troops will ellict the same reaction?

    Ya I'm against keeping our soldiers there. If a Democrat would say their against it too I'm not just gonna change my mind it be against Democrats at all times, unlike people who hate Trump
     
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    I'll give you Steve Cohen as being a little out there... although still in the parking lot of the Jim Jordan Nuthouse....

    I have no problem with Maxine Waters...

    I have no idea what you are going for with videos 3 and 4..
     
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    I don't know what Obama saw himself as, but Trump sees himself as the President; something the House Dems haven't come to grips with yet.
     
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    I voted Obama in '08
    And He Lied To Me.




    Obama's inaction during the foreclosure crisis
    where Americans were cheated out of their homes by
    heavily lawyered Banks was obscene.

    Home Ownership with security is basic to :flagus:
    I bet the Foreclosure Crisis damaged more Americans
    than any other gov't event in the nation.
    The Greatest State of California did more to bring
    it to an end than Obama's A.G. Eric Holder.
    WE KNOW BANK CRIMES WERE COMMITTED
    AND NO AMERICAN WHO LOST THEIR HOME GOT IT BACK!
    Indeed, Obama limited victim compensation to $2,000!

    A friend was one of those victims.
     
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    "Block any Republican......." Huh?? I'm sure you didn't finish that thought, although I love where your head is at... I'd love to block any Republicans myself...

    Schiff didn't lie... and I can back that up... He was misleading and admitted that later, but that was not an outright lie... and I've followed the President for 2.5 years so I know the difference...

    Nadler is a fine chairman and Congressman... his committee has a few loose screws, but he's fine himself...

    Watch him live, don't believe your spin doctors...
     
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    Maxine Waters is loony lol


    3 i should've used AOC questioning that executive from a bank where she asks him if he keeps kids in Cages

    4. At the 6 minute mark Nadler says Owens said something she didn't and Ted Lieu took a statement out of context


    Point being there's loons on both sides so the argument my side is smart theirs is dumb is a pretty pointless one to me anyhow
     
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    The senate won't convict and the democrats know it. It's a distraction from real issues and gives indies no reason to vote for them.
     
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    No American who kept paying their mortgage "lost" their home.

    If you don't pay your mortgage, you deserve to lose your home. That's not the banks fault!
     
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    Real issues, like abandoning Allies leading to an invasion and the Grim Reaper refusing to bring any of the Hundreds of House Bills to his floor for a vote?

    Stuff like that?

    True independents will be aware of stuff like that... They may not love impeachment as a concept, but most will eventually agree it's warranted here...

    Whether Trump is removed or not is NOT the point.. His amoral and unconstitutional behavior needs to be pointed out in time for the next election and this is a good way to do it.
     
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    Nadler is a commie and a huckster.
     
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    Very True.

    Besides, the Link in the OP is an Opinion Piece (and doesn't even belong in Current Events).

    And any sort of "speculation" (on doom for the Dems) from an Extreme RW "Source" like Sara Carter is easily dismissed.
     
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    On what issues do you disagree with the Democratic Party? Why are you an independent?
     
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    I haven't defended the Biden's other than to say there hasn't been any evidence of wrongdoing. I've stated on this forum that I am completely fine with investigating them.

    I did not vote for Hillary and stated on this forum numerous times that she was terrible just like Trump, both before and after the election.

    Anti-semitism in the Democratic party is bad, but no worse than the festering racism in the Republican party. I condemn both.

    Elizabeth Warren did not steal her "career" from anybody.

    The Republican party is full of idiots and sycophants who stand behind Trump no matter how outrageous and corrupt he is. If you'd care to peruse my posting history, I do not promote the Democrats or tell people to go out and vote for them. They have negative traits too. Opposing Donald Trump does not equal promoting the Democrats.

    I have no problems with investigating politicization of anybody you feel might have been politicized. I have not defended Obama or Biden in this regard. Again, opposing Trump and his monumental nincompoopery does not equal supporting the Democrats.

    See above. I have not told anybody who to vote for. I have simply pointed out that the blind devotion to a megalomaniac jackass is detrimental to the country and to the personal integrity of anyone who sold their values and credibility to support Trump. You yourself, in your post talking about corruption, have no leg to stand on. You voted for Trump, a person you knew(if you'd bothered to pay any attention anyway) was corrupt before you cast your vote and you did it anyway. Circumstances may differ, but you voted for corruption as much as the people you say voted for it by voting Democrat. So get off your high horse pal because it is foolish to accuse people of doing the exact same thing you did in 2016.
     
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    The president is a person who follows the law. Trump is a person who thinks he's above it, and just yesterday transitioned from thinking he's above it to directing his administration to act like he's above it. That's also what a king does.
     
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    Well, at least one of those I know you like...

    Commie?? Really? Is it 1951 all over again??
     
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    @US Conservative


    The crime against my friend, now illegal in California
    was, Dual Tracking.


    While negotiating a restructuring of the mortgage with the bank,
    another branch proceeded with foreclosure activity blindsiding the victim.

    Dual Tracking.



    Also now crimes in California is demolishing foreclosed homes to improve the market,
    or allowing them to become unoccupied slums.
     
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    Mostly economic items. My largest disagreement is with the concept of unlimited Welfare without work, and I'm not liking the campaign concept of Medicare for all either.

    I'm 100% with Dem's on all social issues, which are the easiest to understand over fiscal issues.

    I'm an independent simply because I don't believe either party is right about everything, and I like to keep all my options open...
     
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    How common was that.
     
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    Schiff lied. He got 4 pinochios for it.

    Pelosi is changing the House rules so the Republicans have zero power.

    Nadler is pushing lies as well.

    I do not remember any republicans trying to manufacture a way to impeach obama. It just did not happen. The dems have pushed the Russian Collusion hoax and now the Ukraine lies.
     
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    See the highlighted part?

    False. That’s horse sh*t.
     
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    What is the Ukraine lie?

    - Did Trump mention the Bidens out loud during his phone call, during a discussion of corruption?
    - Was military aid withheld by Trump alone, against the advice of Pentagon and Congress?
    - Was the ambassador to Ukraine questioning if the US was withholding "security assistance for help with a political campaign"?

    All 3 are known facts... Undisputed... So I'm not sure what lie you are referring to... and likely neither do you...
     

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