21% Increase in SNAP benes... Did you know about this?

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  1. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The aid boost is being packaged a major revision to the USDA’s Thrifty Food Plan, which estimates the cost to purchase groceries for a family of four and guides the way the government calculates benefits. In practical terms, the average monthly per-person benefits for qualified recipients will rise from $121 to $157.

    The increase is projected to cost an additional $20 billion per year, but it won’t have to be approved by Congress. A farm law passed in 2018 by the then-GOP led Congress and signed by former President Donald Trump already directed the department to reassess the Thrifty Food Plan.

    “Whether you’re a Republican or a Democrat, I think there’s a shared understanding of the importance of this program,” Vilsack said in a conference call with reporters.

    The increase is part of a multi-pronged Biden administration effort to strengthen the country’s social safety net. Poverty and food security activists maintain that longstanding inadequacies were laid bare by the COVID-19 pandemic, presenting an opportunity to make generational improvements that reach beyond the current public health crisis.

    https://apnews.com/article/health-coronavirus-pandemic-f51d32a6830fe74b8bc06fcf99c57f71

    Wrong you are Tom. Conservatives are about falsely accusing SNAP recipients of all sorts of nefarious things. They have trouble with helping people in need. A fact they will deny vigorously.

    Myth #1: SNAP recipients don’t want to work.

    SNAP is commonly known for its food stamp roots. Benefits, now loaded onto a specialized, debit-style card rather than distributed through actual food stamps, helped more than 42 million Americans (almost 13 percent of the country’s total population) purchase food in 2017. The majority of SNAP participants (nearly two-thirds, according to the USDA) are children, the elderly, or people with disabilities, as of fiscal year 2015.

    Hard-working individuals—even those working 40-plus hours a week—may not be able to make ends meet and provide enough food for themselves and their families if they aren’t making a living wage. (More than half of working-age, non-disabled adults residing in households receiving SNAP work, according to Feeding America.) If they meet income requirements, they may receive SNAP benefits, though they’re not always enough.

    “There’s still this idea that, if [people receiving SNAP benefits] just pulled up their bootstraps and went out and got a job, everything would be okay. That’s just not the case,” said Sarah Ormbrek, a former SNAP recipient who is now a Community Relations Director at a food bank in Ohio.

    https://www.realsimple.com/food-recipes/snap-food-stamps-myths
     
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    I can see flooding would be a problem. Someone needs to invent a waterproof case to contain the generator until the rain/flooding has ceased.

    I forget about your problems with generators because I don’t have to deal with them. Nobody around to hear mine and almost everyone has one anyway so no confiscation. It’s also easy to store fuel for me. I also use one a few times each year for other things besides emergencies so it’s easier to keep one running and maintained.

    I love the solar route. I hope to dabble in that sometime in the future. Technology is advancing so fast in that area it’s exciting what we may be able to do in the future.
    Public power where I live is one part of the “socialist” lifestyle I lead. Power is affordable, service is excellent, and consumers are the decision makers. I agree central planning would result in the opposite.
     
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    when i lived "across the lake" we had a consumer owned cooperative for electricity. affordable, excellent service, and about once a year the month's bill was free.
     
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    a fact obesity increases chance of infection and a fact exercise snd proper weight result in better immunity from vaccination
    I have said this, yet you accuse me of denying science.

    Now how does soda and candy transmit the virus, maybe Dr Pemberton was actually a forward looking evil scientist. :)
     
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    FYI, the entire animal kingdom, electricity, and water flows to the least resistance of gravity, et al, practice the "path of least resistance". Hence why we have gymnasiums and other sporting tools to help us maintain that level of physical status.
     
  6. DentalFloss

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    A mean BREAK is fine. But that doesn't justify asking me to pay for the meals for the kids of people I do not know. People should pay for their own damn kids and leave me (and everybody else) alone. It's not my responsibility to feed your kids. Or even educate them.
     
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  7. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Do you have a copy of Fountainhead on your bedside table? It's really sad that there are sociopathic people like you.
     
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    This is where you deny science.

    I’ve told you. Mainly through obesity, but also through type 2 diabetes. I showed you studies confirming the obese shed more virus and emit more aerosol and larger droplets through chronic cough. There are many physiological reasons. Including increased ACE2 receptors in the obese. Including the negative effects low fiber diets have on gut microbiota that regulate immune response. Including low grade inflammation caused by cytokine dysfunction in excess adipose tissue. Including adipose deposition in airways leading to wheezing, increased aerosol emissions, and increased likelihood of infection because of sleep apnea sleep deprivation. There are dozens of mechanisms.

    Do you need evidence that simple sugars and poor diets including soda and candy lead to obesity and diabetes? Is that what you are having trouble accepting?

    Here is the answer to the quiz. For transmission to occur, there has to be an infected individual and an uninfected individual. Anything that reduces the number of infected individuals REDUCES transmission. Period. I can’t believe this isn’t obvious but I forget how little critical thinking ability exists in the majority of Americans.

    Well, Pemberton made cocaine use mainstream. Gotta give him credit for that. :)
     
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    Then you can't complain about anything other people do.
     
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    these are children, I have no issues giving them a lunch at our schools
     
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    Have YOU read it? I'm guessing know! And that's how they get it thru, we the people are to complacent and trust media to read our bedtime stories TO US ;)
     
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    What kind of a bullshit response is that? You care to show me the "new islands" dealership, because I must have driven right past it and not seen it. I don't need to "live on an island" to realize that I do not owe it to anybody to pay their own bills. When did this happen? At what point did I consent to paying for losers? Just like you (presumably) pay your own bills, so should everyone, assuming they're of sound mind and body. Like I said, starvation is a powerful motivator, and if the choice is work or starve, I'd bet most will choose to work. And to make it easier on them, we should start by deporting the people who don't even deserve to be here in the first place.

    "Go live on an island someplace" seems to actually translate to "You're right, I'm wrong, but I'm too proud to admit it so I'll just toss some nonsense at you to see if you'll go away.
     
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    And that makes about as much sense as "go live on an island somewhere", to the point that I'm not ever certain what it is you are saying. Are you saying that if by some miracle I am relieved of the burden of paying for OPKs, then I don't then get to, what, complain when someone breaks into my house? Are we even using the same language?
     
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    We're getting away from the original point.

    All this stuff about nutrition, and sugary candy, and already too fat EBT users is great, but the point that has been lost due to thread creep is the Biden single handedly, without so much as an ounce of oversight from Congress or anyone else, swiped his pen and raised the price of an already over priced free food for losers program by over 1/5th. And he did so more or less in complete secrecy, as evidenced by the fact that essentially nobody here (save one or two) even knew it had happened.

    THAT is what we should be focusing on.
     
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    Maybe we should have had opened soda cans and candy wearing masks. :)
     
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    Maybe we should have not recommended AGAINST quality masks and recommended they be worn where transmission was most likely instead of where transmission is least likely and advised people their decisions on diet and exercise are life and death decisions when it comes to Covid.

    I just think we should inform people of ways they can protect themselves. I don’t see any reason to withhold information that can be as protective as vaccination and can help vaccination be more efficacious. Public health institutions need to educate people on actual public health.

    And we shouldn’t be providing food to the needy we know can kill them pandemic or no pandemic. If we are going to pay for someone’s food and their healthcare I think we should put forth a little effort to ensure the food is healthy and won’t cause harm we have to pay for later.

    I know you aren’t reading my links, but the one study I linked to on how poor diet increases chance of infection and poor Covid outcomes, the research showed the effect of diet is even more pronounced in the poor and destitute. We should be helping them, not feeding them food we know makes their likelihood of infection increase and their chance of poor Covid outcomes increase.
     
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    You being a part of this society.
     
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    Yep.
     
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    I know you aren’t reading my links, but the one study I linked to on how poor diet increases chance of infection and poor Covid outcomes,
    3rd time, I know you are not reading my posts, because this is the 3rd I have agreed obesity increases the risk of contracting covid. I got that from paying attention to medical science.
     
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    If you had read my links it would have been very clear science shows diet/obesity have a profound influence on transmission.

    If you paid attention to medical science you would know how candy and soda affect transmission and we wouldn’t have had this conversation.
     
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    Yeah, I guess all those pastry shops were the source of Covid. :)
     
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    Not the source of Covid. It’s a viral disease. But yes pastry shops have GREATLY exacerbated the effects of SARS-CoV-2 on individuals and society through increased transmission.
     
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    Well for one they won't be buying any more given how much food prices have jumped that barely kept pace. For two it's likely a cola increase nothing that Biden specifically did. For three the poor are poor in no small part poor because they prefer quantity over quality especially when it comes to food.
     
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    That is one of the most ridiculous assertions ever !!!!
     
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    Ok. So you are a full on science denier. Got it. Even the CDC gets this one right. Do you dispute Covid is a viral disease or that pastries are contributing to the severity of the pandemic? Either way your opinion is contradicted by science.

    https://www.cdc.gov/nutrition/data-statistics/added-sugars.html

    Would you like to present counter evidence or come back with more appeal to the stone fallacy? You definitely do not follow medical science. LOL
     
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