22 Israelis murdered 180 wounded during the last two months

The Kashmir territorial dispute is a particularly bloody one, and have started... In 1947! And it is between the World's largest democracy and a poor innocent Islamic state. But it does not count, for there are Jews involved.

 

I'm talking about the continued fragmentation of the West Bank thanks in no small part to Israeli intervention.

 

Does from 1947 until 1967 there was Israeli presence in the West Bank? If not, I cant understand why you used those maps. And the map from 2005 was beause of the division that Beilin, Peres and Rabin made.

 

i.e. the Israeli government is continuing to take Palestinian land away from the Palestinians. This happens on a daily basis. Do you dispute this fact?

 

So according to you when Israel gave land to the Arabs, is actually stealing?

 

The map in 2005 shows MUCH less territory on the Palestinian side compared to the Israeli side. None of the proposed peace accords have achieved anything for the Palestinians except lip service, and the continued settlement expansions have brought nothing but misery and loss to the Palestinians, to the extent that the discontiguous settlement building has torn up Palestinian territory. That's not viable for a statehood, which is why the Israeli settlers need to leave.

 

I've asked the following question a few times and never had an answer to it. Let's see if I get lucky now . . . Seeing as there's so much desert around, why do the Palestinians want the small amount of it which is Israel?

 

The map from 2005 shows what Beilin, Peres and Rabin (which are from the left wing) did for the Arabs, and the agreement that Beilin, Peres and Rabin made, didnt talk about the setlements.

 

Not takers yet then? Seems to be an 'elephant in the room' kinda question.

 

Look at the bigger picture: Israel continues to snatch acres of land from right under the feet of the Palestinians.

 

According to the link you provided, Israel will use the nearby lands to Wadi Fukin, which is not settled area.
If the Arabs have problems with that and that they claim that it is a private land, then they can go to the Israeli Supreme Court and and let the judges decide, but since I didnt really hear about such Arabs that went to court in this case, then what's the problem, If there is no evidecnes that were provided that the land that Israel want to use is private?

BTW- what are the current reality about those lands near Wadi Fukin? Did any building start? Because the article is a 1 year old.
BTW2- what your thoughts about Shuafat, Abu Dis, Qalandiya (etc) that are built on private Jewish lands? (I have evidences that can back it up).

 

Since 1968, the net result was loss of land from the Palestinians to Israelis. Do you dispute this?

They are continually receiving threats of settlement building and wall building, and thanks to this appropriation of land to Israelis, the Palestinians live in cantons. No nation state is viable from this.

I know what these camps are. Israel as an occupying power has to supply for the occupied. It's part of international law.

 

If you are relying about the maps you provided erlier when you states "the net result", then I already replied to it.

1. So if there was no building, andthe Arabs in Wadi Fukin can use the land near the village, then what is the problem if the reality before the warning is still continue to exist today?
2. the current reality regarding where is the PA is ruling in the West Bank was made by Beilin, Peres and Rabin. If you want to blame anyone, blame those three.

If you know what these camps are, then you probably know that Qalandiya was built on the ruins of the Jewish village of Atarot and in the Abu Dis, Shuafat, Hizma, A-Ram, Anta, Jadra there are 1,920 acres of Jewish private lands.

 

yes, most settlers need to leave, as much of the land they live on was stolen from Arab owners, which is illegal under the 4th GC and 1907 Hague regulations

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LOL!!!

answering a direct question with another question, is a form of evasion.

 

It's not answering a question with another question.
Sunspear wrote that Israel is stealing land, so I asked him if according to him when Israel gave land is stealing.

 

No, its exactly that. He asked a direct question, and the response was to literally ignore the question with another question.

its evasion.

 

He wrote that Isreal is stealing land so I just asked him if according to him when Israel gave lands to the Arabs is actually stealing.

 

yes, you chose to avoid answering his direct question, and instead asked your own question.

its called evasion.

THE END

 

I replied exactly to what he wrote about the stealing claim.

 

Because they are continuously receiving those threats.

Peres and Rabin are both agents of the Israeli occupation, so yes, I blame them.

Please provide literature to back up your claims. As for the Palestinians, almost all Israeli cities and towns are currently built on the ruins of Palestinian villages as well.

 

And yet, even with the warnings the Arabs can use those lands if they want.

Peres and Rabin created the division of the lands as we see today there. There are alot of people in Israel that oppose what Peres and Rabin did.

With pleasure. I took all the numbers from the research that was published in 1993 by The Jerusalem Institute for Israel Studies (which is an independent organization), and the name of the research is "The Legal Status of Lands Acquired by Jews before 1948 in the West Bank, Gaza Strip and East Jerusalem".
The research was written by Eyal Zamir and Eyal Benvenisti

 

That's just one village. Other villages include al-Arakib and others outlying Jerusalem. Israel continues it's settlement expansion even to this day.

I'm aware of that, but the actions of the Israeli government have since expanded beyond those oppositions. Most Israelis and Palestinians want peace.

I'll peruse it later as I am actually in the middle of a busy work shift.

 

1. Al-Araqib is a Bedouin village in the Negev that the Isreali Supreme Court ruled this year (2015) that the lands that Al-Araqib was built on is state lands.
2. If the Arabs oppose it with the claims "it is private lands", they can easily go to the Israeli Supreme Court so the judges will decide, but since evidences were not been provided that would back such claims, then I dont see the problem.

The Israeli government after what Peres, Rabin an Beilin did was to create Wye and Hebron Accords that called for an evecuation of Isralei presence from aditional agreed parts of the West Bank.

Of course that there are no agreements that forbid any building in settlements.

 

which was a horrible error by Arafat.

Oslo should have forbid the expansion of any settlements, seizing any more Arab private land, or building of new settlements.

Israel has more than enough land to house more people.

 

And yet Oslo is not forbiding it.