35 Million will lose Health Insurance per Health Management Assoc.

And this is why our current health system is BROKEN! You're not going to be saving money from denying these folks health insurance now. Trump is doing this to take away the ACA all together.

 

I don't know all 191 and I doubt that you do either.

All you have to do show me where it is in the paper.

That may or may not be true. The paper doesn't address single payer. All you have to do is show me where.

I do know that the VA is a government run single payer and I want nothing to do with it. I wasted too much time with them.

 

And most will likely still not buy it anyway, people make bad decisions all the time. This is just more adverse selection opportunities

 

More proof of why we have to seriously consider a Universal Health care system.

 

i'm counting the first world nation systems.

I have

already showed you where.

the VA is not single payer, it is a government run facility.

 

You have not quoted or pointed out a single thing within the paper. Only that it is there.

A badly run government facility with the option to get care elsewhere which makes it single payer.

 

We have 70 million on Medicaid, 45 mil medicare, then count how many millions on a
Private plan, employer plan, etc.

So honestly. were already 30% there with government sponsored programs. But the other 70 cant be funded with stock transaction taxes or gimmicks it would cost every employed person and every employer some legit money.

Drop a payroll tax on everyone? How much?
Raise the cap for sure, right?

Would payroll taxes double, or 50%? I dont know the answer but i'm dam sure it would cost me, but I can deal with it.

In the end you still have illegals that don't fit into any of the puzzles without major issues.

 

Why should employers be the ones responsible for providing insurance?

And in the light of our changing economy, with many people now doing gig jobs, they still don't have access to affordable and reliable health insurance.

This pandemic is clear proof of why we need to have a nationalized health care system.

 

Gig jobs are 1099. They already pay 15% payroll taxes, how much higher can we go?

 

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This virus crisis clarifies the weakness in America's healthcare system.

Also shown by other countries in their success if stopping the virus when enabled with a working healthcare system

Taiwan is a good example in adopting a single payer healthcare system for their 30 Million citizens

When the virus struck they has a handful of deaths and their economy kept going

Additionally removing the burden on employers will make them more competitive against other countries

 

Whatever.

 

Pretending I haven’t doesn’t fool anyone.

The VA is not single payer. It is a government run facility.

 

Non-urgent appointments like cancer screenings, not having new medial issues looked at which could be the beginnings of a serious medical problem. People who would normally go to the doctor for aches, pains and episodes they had, are not going in to the doctor because they have been told to isolate. so they suck it up, ride it out, and stay home. If we continues like we are for much longer, we will have more people dying from diagnisys which were put off too long.

Each year people die from

150,000 Stroke
600,000 cancer
650,000 heart disease

All we have right now is emergency room care for people in serve distress.

 

Yup, we will all get our pre-cancer screenings, and cardiographs etc... over the freaking phone.

 

Insanity.

So when you have a government takeover for healthcare, who is going to continue the R&D? Currently the USA provides more R&D for medicine than every other country in the world COMBINED. They do that because PRIVATE companies are willing to risk billions of dollars and decades of manpower to make a profit.

So when you take that profit away from them, who is going to develop the new drugs, procedures and technologies?

 

If someone feels they might have an urgent issue they can get in to see a doctor or at the very least see a doctor via telemedicine.

 

We don't have a health care system,many of our working citizens cannot afford the price to purchase comprehensive health insurance. Our insurance companies do not truly compete on price they collude and divide up the country limiting competition. The idea that there is a free market, truly competitive market is delusion.

 

Sorry but I gotta call you on this one. As someone who used to work as an underwriter for a health insurer in a past career, insurance companies definitely compete on price. I lost count of the number of times the sales or account reps would ask us to lower premiums in order to get the sale or keep the account. There is also what is called “new business discounts” to help lower premiums to get into a new account. Price is pretty much the only tactic that can be used for competing against other insurers since most insurers are offering same benefits and pretty much same networks. So yes, insurers definitely compete on price.

 

Oh, but because of their change in circumstances they will now be eligible for coverage on the oh-so-great ACA Obamacare exchanges. They should be fine, right? After all, the rest of us who don't have employer provided coverage and are too young for Medicare were told it's great! and affordable! Those stimulus checks should pay for at least a month of crappy coverage with a ridiculous deductible. No worries. Thanks Dems!

 

They don't divide up the country, they're prohibited from doing business nationally. Brought to you by the folks that regulate everything, the Democrat party. Even before the ACA the Republicans tried to get rid of these incomprehensible restrictions and there isn't even a word about opening up those markets in the text of the ACA. We don't need single payer or any other cockamamie government healthcare, we need to allow the insurance industry to do business wherever it wants to. Healthcare is like any other product and the only thing that really sells is affordability and quality. The ACA has neither.

 

I'm due (overdue actually) for my annual bloodwork, honestly I really dont want to go and hang out at quest labs to get several vials removed right now. Dr already postponed my april 15 appt so It might be 45 days before I get my blood/physical done.

It's a risk but IMO a very slight one for me. If this stay at home thing continues I might show up healthier than I have in the last 5 years. I'm biking, running walking. Doing yoga and weights and eating 99% at home, I have a lot more time for long sleep nights and naps too!

With that said I dont think their office is inundated with peeps, they just want "routine " people out of the way, if I needed them Tomorrow I could probably get in easy.

 

Well, honestly, pre ACA the only option was cobra or a new individual plan with pre-ex. A QLE with no pre-ex and premiums possibly subsidized, and increased threshold on Medicaid too.

It is better than the free for all we had before. It's far from perfect but There are positive aspects to the ACA

 

Assuming you believe what WHO says and what the governments who gave them the data said. Personally, I don't. Those who want to change U.S. healthcare to the VA need to understand that it wouldn't be an improvement nor would it cost less. Now you can go demonstrate my position as false if you like.

 

Your personal incredulity does not rebut the peer reviewed paper I gave you. I already
demonstrated your position is incorrect.