35 Million will lose Health Insurance per Health Management Assoc.

Your statement did not correct or change anything I stated. If the employer was paying 50% (the 'required' percentage) exactly how does COBRA premiums become 3 times the amount? COBRA admin is allowed to add 2%.

Your math doesn't work.

 

of course it did.

I didn't say every person would pay 3x's as much. I said most will.

 

Please explain how you think your statement changed or corrected anything I stated.

I disagree with your 'most' statement. Please post valid links to reputable sites that support your statement.

 

if they are 'at risk' then they too get treatment/exams...

stop spewing alarmist bs...

 

No. I simply pointed out that your peer reviewed paper is garbage because the WHO is famous for politics and misleading tactics. It is an anti-American organization like the rest of the UN. I was simply putting your post into context, not for your sake but for others who read your post. Remember I said I had no interest reading it. The reason is that it means nothing to me regardless of what it says. I didn't attack what it said. I attacked the organization as unworthy of belief. You are welcome to believe what they say. I am welcome to dispute that belief. As I said earlier, you will get over it in time.

 

Someone should research the ACA subsidies. How and when they apply.

I think you are that someone.

 

What you've got going there is 'creative math'. $15 p/hr x 40 hours = $31,200 annual. SS and medicare are 6.2% and 1.45% respectively. deductions: $2387. Fed withhold is a variable, but if they are having $10,000 +/- deducted annually, they are filing incorrectly. They are likely receiving a large refund at tax time, therefore that cannot be stated as 'not received.'. Chances are, if they have dependents, they are receiving more back then they paid in.

So, do you want to restate your post?

 

already done so

 

and you remain refuted. "nuh uh" is not a rebuttal to a peer reviewed paper you are given. willful ignorance is certainly your choice.

 

I guess I'm not going to get you past your stubborn hang up on WHO. I'll let you go. Good luck.

 

So on the basis that someone might have a condition, you are extrapolating possible future deaths, that may or may not have been prevented by care during a period that the medical industry has redirected it's priorities to people in immediate need of care?

Did you actually read your own post?

 

I accept your concession

 

You don't know what you're talkin about!!

In my city, my Hospital canceled all of those elective procedures. You cannot go to my hospital and get a colonoscopy or breast exam, so do not tell me that I'm full of BS when you are ignorant of the facts

 

I think you're misunderstanding my point. What I am saying is that normal screenings for cancer are being prevented, so this means that people with cancer right now, may be going undiscovered.They have to wait a months now, before they can be screened, depending on their state.

I'm sure that those appointments, which have been on hold for a month now, are going to be backed up, so it's very possible that somebody who hasn't had a colonoscopy and five years may, and may have already been developing cancer, is going to have to wait for another three or maybe four months before they're screened and find out that they do have cancer.

 

And is that more important than the people who are in immediate danger?

So what do you recommend? I don't think anyone is dismissing anyone who is currently under care, but to worry about people who have not yet been diagnosed, or may not even have anything TO diagnose in the face of a virulent virus, is a little on the bizarre side. If someone is in that bad a condition, hie thyself off to the ER.

 

Cancer screenings is where we find most people with cancer. Some screenings go years between your next screening, during that time you might be a stage two already. Sometimes you get you screening and you are already stage 4. Delaying cancer treatment by four months can mean the difference between life and death. Those screenings are important.

I don't even know why we are even having to discuss the benefits of cancer screenings.

 

We are not discussing the benefits of cancer screenings. It was you who was making a todo about medical personnel addressing the acute needs of people with COVID-19 before those who may or may not have cancer.

Cancer screenings are and have been available during this crisis. It's elective surgeries that have been postponed.

 

A colonoscopy is a cancer screening, and it is not surgery. As I told you already, my hospital has suspended elective procedures like that. I know this for a fact, so stop with your ignorant comments about what is, and what is not going on within the hospitals of the city I live in.

BTW, who the hell made you the thread police, to decide what we are, or are not discussing?

 

Oh my, you are having a moment. Look at the title of the thread. You brought up how people may die even if they haven't been diagnosed with something, and that screenings are all important, at a time when this country is dealing with an immediate health crisis.

If you want to go on with your discussion regarding who should or should not be treated as a priority, then perhaps creating your own thread on the subject would be beneficial. Meanwhile, being ego-centric and focused on what you feel should be happening with total disregard for others, does not make on inclined to try and discuss the subject at all with you.

 

Do you even know what a discussion thread is? I was responding to a post. It's people like you who decided to take up a discussion of my post, and now you claim it's me, who is ego-centric????

It's you who are responding to my posts, and then complaining that responded in kind.

Collateral Damage: "Ouch, it hurts when I keep touching this metal bar. Ouch, there it hurts me again, make it stop mommy. Ouch!" Stop responding to my posts, geez.