4 Dead, Several Others Shot At Pittsburgh Synagogue

Well, they are though, that's the thing.

No worries, we shall duel later.

 

I guess you just aren't a visual or literary person. Appropriate metaphorical imagery is a rather effective form of communication at times. That is if the listener/reader can elevate themselves from mere literal interpretation to "read between the lines".

 

I didn't say he was an obama supporter...just that he was anti-trump, he didn't like his policies towards Israel. Which is a a position shared by the GOP. Pro-Israel is teh view of the GOP.....the GOP is the "right wing" in the United States. He therefore isn't one of us. His views are more in line with the DNC.

Obama certainly supported Iran, and worked to get them billions in cash and bypass sanctions, sanctions put in place because of their open support of terrorist...like Hamas, who killed Israelis https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/06/poli...s-bank-exchange-republicans-report/index.html

While Obama was carrying water for Iran,...he turned his back on Israel, and left them open for terror....https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2016/12/28/obamas_attack_on_israel_132657.html

 

What planet do you hail from sir? Not earth, that is for damned sure. ha ha ha

Have you failed to notice what "human nature" creates, but is incapable of solving? So what then would solve it? Logic. Rationality. Reason. And a moral compass the size of Texas! But is this possible? Not so far, in the history of human civilization. SO, given that hard fact, how does economic globalism, a scheme to create the greatest disparity in income possible, how does this economic globalism address what you talked about? It doesn't. So.....

What solves the problem you mentioned, is a revolution in human consciousness, a revolutionary change to chimp-like human nature. And that is not present now, it is not our reality at all. So you are dangerously indulging in rainbow and unicorn thinking. Here in the most tribalistic times I have ever seen in America, with this right/left paradigm, democrat/republican paradigm, and yet you talk of these idealistic fantasies?

What these fantasies will do, without a revolution in human consciousness and human nature, is destructive, and if you keep on with this economic globalism scheme, open borders, you will be a destroyer of societies, of structure, and that serves only the lunatics. I just do not think you have thought this through, with a firm foundation is the history of our species. A history governed largely by human nature, chimp nature, that insures us that if history does not repeat, it will indeed rhyme. And thinking in rainbows and unicorns, ideals, is impervious against what we are. We have discovered what seems to work better, given what we are, and it is when one group of humans forms a nation, based upon principles, incorporate sovereignty, and this leave it up to other groups of people, other societies to do the same, as best they can, with as little division as possible structured into that society, in order to avoid conflict, for division generally insures conflict at some point. And so you do not socially engineer division, which is what you seem to promote. I think its insanity, that kind of short sighted thinking. I formed this opinion long ago, while studying anthropology that I majored in once upon a time. And I have never seen one thing that would refute nor negate, logically that position.

 

. . . which has nothing to do with this thread.

 

It's a heartbreaker, and the people trying to politicize this atrocity are only making it worse...

 

Those from the right chanting the "blood and tears" and "Jews will not replace us" at Charlottesville also hate Jews, so are you going to say that they are left wing too?

 

Those aren't folks from the "right" - the GOP supports Israel.

 

All on the right voted for Trump??

 

Nope.

 

According to the biblical fairy tale it is 1 Thessolanians 2:14-16 and John 8:42-47 and the hatred spewed against the Gentiles in the entire Jewish Babylonian Talmud. But those are all fairy tales, right, and have no basis in reality.

 

The problem with movements in general is that they are started by one malcontent and then gain popular support. At some time after that every member of the affected class is expected to support the malcontent*s objective even if he has been dead for a very long time. So just because Theodor Herlz worked to increase hatred against Jews in order to force them into Palestine a lot of Jews simply are not interested in his delusion. That is why some Jews refused to leave Nazi Germany. Not all of them are interested in stealing the Palestinians land.

 

Where was Jew mentioned in John 8:42-47?

 

Of course not.

 

I don't waste my time on a cullionly carbuncle.

 

Yet you voted for one. go figger.

 

Life's too short to waste on a loathsome zed.

 

Islam steps up. American values and Islamndo coexist.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna925796

 

I'm well aware of the controversy as well. And I do sympathize with Palestinians in general. But l think that regardless of how it started, or regardless of the current circumstances, there exists a government that is 100% behind the Jewish. If our government is dissatisfactory, they have one whom they can call "home". I'm willing to overlook the problems in INTL law, to resolve the problem that has existed since beyond the US's founding.

Jews had undergone many struggles in the history of their tribe, and they have a solution called Israel. I think we should all encourage the peaceful development of Israel.

 

That's Dr. Bialik to the rest of us:

 

According to Struth, anyone who did not vote for Trump is not right wing

 

An American Jew writes to America:


The Tree of Life Synagogue after Saturday's deadly shooting

On this day of all days it needs to be said: America has been a blessing for the Jewish people unlike any other blessing given any other people in the history of the world.

One crime — or 29 separate crimes, committed at the same time by a monster in human form — cannot be allowed to overshadow this extraordinary fact.

My own gratitude to America is actually greater today than it was yesterday because of the outpouring of grief and rage and common humanity we have witnessed in the response to the horror in Pittsburgh.

The philo-Semitic response to this unspeakable act of anti-Semitism reveals how American Jews are anchored in America in a way that Jews who live anywhere else outside of Israel are not anchored to the lands in which they reside or have ever resided.

We are Americans. And we are Jews. And there is no contradiction between the two. When people talk freely and foolishly and noxiously about America as having been built on racism, there is one simple answer to their libel: George Washington’s letter to a synagogue in Newport, written in August 1790.

“The citizens of the United States of America have a right to applaud themselves for having given to mankind examples of an enlarged and liberal policy — a policy worthy of imitation. All possess alike liberty of conscience and immunities of citizenship,” Washington wrote. “May the children of the stock of Abraham who dwell in this land continue to merit and enjoy the good will of the other inhabitants — while every one shall sit in safety under his own vine and fig tree and there shall be none to make him afraid.”​

That final phrase, taken from the prophet Micah, was violated in the most obscene way on Saturday. But the story of America is a story of a country that has indeed served as vine and fig tree for the world’s most beleaguered peoples.

America has allowed us to sit in safety. America has allowed us to flourish due to its “enlarged and liberal policy” that assumes all human beings have inalienable rights.

From the time of the Jewish expulsion from the Holy Land in the first century after the death of Christ, Jews lived all over the world, but none of those places constituted a home. Even when we were treated relatively well, we were other. We were apart.

Because nothing is unmixed, because good can come out of bad, it has to be said that this forced separation is one of the reasons the Jewish people survived when thousands of ancient Middle Eastern tribes died out.

We believed what the Bible told us — that we had a special role, a special mission, a special place in the destiny of humankind. And that kept us alive.

America took us in, by the many millions, and the founding doctrine to which George Washington alluded in his letter made this country something vastly greater than just another dot on the millennia-old map of the diaspora.

The only true threat to the Jewish people from the American experiment comes not from hate but from love. The problem for American Jews, the late Irving Kristol used to say, isn’t that they want to kill us, but that they want to marry us. Our difficulty is maintaining the separateness necessary to the continuation of the Jews as a people — because America has so taken us to its bosom.

This is a tragically low moment, a day when the words we speak on Passover really came home: “In every generation they rise up against us to destroy us.” But this time it was not “they” who “rose up against us to destroy us.” And that makes all the difference.

It was not the Nazi regime. It was not the Spanish Inquisition. It was not Crusaders. It was not Russian or Polish soldiers. It was not an organized effort to extirpate.

It was the work of a lone villain poisoned by the ancient temptation that has guided the hands of Jew-haters from the days of Amalek — the temptation to believe that whatever ails you can be cured by the extirpation of Jews. Any Jews. All Jews.

Among the murdered in Pittsburgh were two brothers, Cecil and David Rosenthal. They lived together. They were in their 50s. They were developmentally disabled.

Adolf Hitler was not only passionate about removing the Jewish people from this Earth; he wanted to eliminate “defectives” as well. The Bible lays out 613 commandments all Jews are to follow. The theologian Emil Fackenheim argued in 1967 that there was a 614th, the Commandment of Auschwitz: “Let there be Jews.”

All Jews. Of all kinds.

To keep the memory of the Rosenthal brothers for a blessing and those who were slaughtered along with them, we American Jews can and should do no less than to ensure the Jewish people survive and thrive — fully American, as ever, but under our own vine and fig tree.​

https://nypost.com/2018/10/29/what-...an-jew-after-the-pittsburgh-synagogue-attack/

 

I still don't see how it is worse just because it is a hate crime. People dying is people dying. Period.

 

Yes, the closest English word being "Condemn."