4 Dead, Several Others Shot At Pittsburgh Synagogue

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  1. chris155au

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    Alright, clearly a hate crime. Again, what has Trump said about Jews which could make someone do this?
     
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    He need not single out Jews, Blacks, Dems....etc....the inspired get to do that themselves.
     
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    Okay, well if you are being consistent, then you will say that Maxine Waters inspired people to verbally abuse Republicans in public. Will you?
     
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    Yes, she very clearly did, that is not violence however and trying to defend Trump through this comparison is at least disingenuous but more desperation.
     
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    I'm not defending Trump. He is clearly responsible for contributing to the heating up of the rhetoric, as our certain Democrats and as are the media. He is NOT however responsible for the guy sending bombs or this guy killing Jews and I think that you're intelligent enough to agree with that.
     
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    Trump does indeed carry some level of responsibility, in his rhetoric and the general message he conveys......he also inspires hatred.
     
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    Seems like you are trying to side step my point. I made my point and you have not disputed it.
     
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    It's been put into a class by itself to describe the motive or lack there of (a real motive) re such a crime. It's an act of terrorism. Classifying this crime as a hate crime indicates motive.
     
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    And again, if you are being consistent then you would say that Bernie Sanders "does indeed carry some level of responsibility" for the Republican congressmen shooting because of "his rhetoric and the general message" that he conveyed. And you would also say that Obama "does indeed carry some level of responsibility" for the double murder of two police officers in New York because of "his rhetoric and the general message" that he conveyed. Will you?
     
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    Sure, but wouldn't you say, "zero need to target or hurt fellow citizens" even if it wasn't a hate crime?
     
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    What was the killers motive and how did the killings tie into the crime he committed?
     
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    As an example, someone who shoots up their workplace.
     
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    A side step.......answer my specific question or keep the side steps alive?
     
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    I thought that you were asking me to come up with my own scenario of a non-hate crime. Again, wouldn't you say, "zero need to target or hurt fellow citizens" even if it wasn't a hate crime?
     
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    I asked you what was the motive of the synagogue shooter? And how does his motive tie into the specific crimes charged?
     
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    He hates Jews, obviously! Again, wouldn't you say, "zero need to target or hurt fellow citizens" even if it wasn't a hate crime?
     
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    How does Trump inspire hatred?

    What is relevant about the car stickers exactly?
     
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    Never mind.

    Have A Nice Day:)
     
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    I love how incapable you are at supporting some of your assertions! :roflol:It's funny, because you're actually pretty good most of time.
     
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    And again, if you are being consistent then you would say that Bernie Sanders "does indeed carry some level of responsibility" for the Republican congressmen shooting because of "his rhetoric and the general message" that he conveyed. And you would also say that Obama "does indeed carry some level of responsibility" for the double murder of two police officers in New York and 10 in Dallas because of "his rhetoric and the general message" that he conveyed. Will you though? I won't be surprised if you don't reply!
     
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    What point was that ?

    I just added a FYI that it's not recommended chambering the 5.56X 45mm M-193 cartridge with any AR (M-16, AR-15 or the numerous knock offs including the Ruger Mini-14's) manufactured after 1981 since they have six land and groves not four and a 1:7" rifle twist.

    It's the 5.56mm M-193 cartridge that is so politically incorrect and creates a nasty wound ripping up the inners of the body and if it does exit the body it leaves a big exit wound.

    There's an interesting story behind why a varmint hunting cartridge was adopted for the AR-15 and M-16.

    There's also a story why it's the .223 and not the .222.
     
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    This applies to the original 55gr round, used until about 1982.
    Since then, the M16/AR15 adopted the A2 configuration that uses a 62gr bullet, which is better stabilized and far less likely to tumble. Unless someone has an old A1 upper on their AR, their rifles is designed to use the 62gr bullet; even if a 55gr bullet is used in an A2 barrel, the increased stabilization from the faster twist reduces the possibility of bullet upset on impact.

    So, while what you posted was once true, it does not really apply today.
     
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    His retoric is though. If you keep calling part of the population ennemies of the people and crooked and other epiteth, don't act surprise if there's a cuckoo in your fan base who'll act on it.
     
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    He calls "Fake News" the enemy of the people and, given recent events and some of the opinions expressed here, he seems to be correct.
     

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