4 Diseases Making a Comeback Thanks to Anti-Vaxxers

Alexandra Sifferlin. March 17, 2014

These should be avoidable

Measles has made a comeback, at least in New York City, where as many as 19 cases have been confirmed.

Why can people be so dumb? Read the story @ http://time.com/27308/4-diseases-making-a-comeback-thanks-to-anti-vaxxers/

 

Because vaccines do more harm I guess than the deadly communicable diseases they prevent. I find anti-vaccination people moronic its clear they prevent very serious diseases and if a child cannot be vaccinated for a good reason the "herd protection" will cover those rare cases.

 

Parents who choose not to vaccinate their own children put not only their kids at risk but put at risk the entire population- including infants who are too young to be vaccinated, and those whose immunity has weakened over time.

Yeah- its moronic and selfish.

 

I sympathize with the exceptions children having bone marrow transplants or cancer and can't but that makes everyone else being vaccinated even more important, so the herd immunity protects these vulnerable children.

 

Wrong.

3 years ago I got a tetanus vaccine, its recommended every 10 years. Its actually a vaccine for pertussis, tetanus, and diptheria (dTap). It gave me pertussis (whooping cough). Symptoms started 1 week after my vaccination, I thought it was a cold and didn't go to my doctor until I was in whats called stage 2 (severe uncontrollable coughing spasms) 3 weeks later. Another 2 weeks later, after a course of antibiotics and codeine cough syrup, I was over it.

That wasn't my only experience with bad vaccines.

In 2009 when the H1N1 flu was the big story, the military had everyone vaccinated. A friend of mine was in San Diego, his squadron was vaccinated and 2 weeks later over 30 of them (1/3rd of the squadron) were out sick and 8 were in the hospital ICU on IV's. Other squadrons suffered the same fate.

After my experience with the dTap vaccine, I looked at the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS). My case was not in VAERS. Neither was the H1N1 event with the Navy and that involved 30+ people all vaccinated at the same time with 8 ending up in the hospital.

I dont trust the vaccination program. Its clear to me that adverse events are not tracked. Vaccines are also becoming highly politicized as shown by these responses and the Gardisil uproar.

Mandatory vaccinations result in big money for the pharma companies, and I have no doubt that a mega-corp will put their $$$ bottom line above peoples safety. When significant numbers of people start to openly question the vaccination program, is it any wonder that big-pharma trots out the PR campaign to discredit the doubters, and trot out their pocket book to pay off some politicians and "consultants" to declare all is well with the vaccines?

 

And if people DIE that's okay?

Seriously Small Pox was wiped out by VACCINES. Polio is still a threat and treatable by VACCINES. So is Measles, Whooping Cough, Chicken Pox and many other illnesses that can disable and kill children and teens.

Maybe the administering of the vaccines could be improved but they save lives and reduce suffering far more than the odd side effect in a few.

 

Battle, I will not argue with you regarding your personal experiences.

But that kind of advise is what gets people killed.

The combination vaccine that includes pertusis is a inactivated vaccine- it doesn't have live cells. If you got came down with Whooping Cough it is because you caught it right around the time you were vaccinated- and if others hadn't skipped their vaccine you probably wouldn't have caught it.

Vaccines have eliminated small pox, virtually eliminated polio, and made whooping cough so rare that parents think they don't need to vaccinate their children.

Whooping cough kills children.

Measles also kills.

Vaccination is the single most important public health advance since sanitation.

 

I'm sure those living when Polio was ravaging children were grateful for a vaccine to protect the children. The same for other scourges of humanity such as Small Pox. I agree maybe the dosing and scheduling of them needs to be looked at for children but refusing vaccines is just not acceptable I don't even agree with religious objections when it comes to children, adults can do what they want.

 

Yup, when I get my annual flu shot they always give a standard info lecture along with it, one being it wont help you if you're already incubating the flu, the vaccine takes 1 to 2 weeks before before it has an effect...so even with a vaccination you can still be infected...whooping cough has an incubation time of 5-15 days or longer so he could well have contracted it before vaccination, and even if contracted post innoculation he wouldn't have any immunity that soon...

 

the problem with that is those adults become a threat to others who can not be vaccinated...some Pediatricians are beginning to refuse seeing children who are not vaccinated because they are a danger to other children/infant patients unable to be vaccinated....

 

Agreed, this is why education is important...

 

The effects of some vaccinations wear off as we age. I don't care though if people elect not to have their children vaccinated. That should be their choice.

 

And as a parent, I would approve of that.

 

A point to ponder.

Is it better for taxpayers to pay a lit for a vaccine or a whole lot for treating the disease?

'Cause that's who's gonna pay for it!

 

There are medical reasons that its not done usually a compromised immune system, I get that and most people will do so but normal children need vaccinations as do adults in some areas. I do understand maybe the regiment could be done more spread out and such and maybe that is worth doing research in.

 

Its possible I was exposed outside of the vaccine, but thats not how my doctor reacted to it. His response was that it was the vaccine, particularly since nobody around me was sick and there were no other reported cases in my area at that time.

And that has nothing to do with the H1N1 vaccine side effects in 2009. My opinion is that they (the govt, CDC, pharma) rushed to deliver the vaccine before it was ready or they were in a hurry, made a mistake, shipped teh wrong batch, did not test it, etc. They made a mistake and a big one, in one squadron 1/3 were made sick and 10% (8 men) ended up in the hospital. Its not in the adverse data base. I just looked again today, I should see a long list of men in CA all at about the same week, in 2009, with complications from the flu vaccine, but I don't. The event was not reported.

Bad vaccine, no report. That alone is enough for me to question the vaccination program.

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In other posts you seem to distrust large corporations including the big pharma companies. Why do you think vaccines are immune to the lure of money and political manipulation? You don't think those big corps will look to reduce manufacturing costs, labor costs, storage costs, possibly at the publics expense? Do you think big pharma is ripping us off one hand while being totally magnanimous with the other when it comes to vaccines? Why the double standard?


And finally, if you believe so heartily in the vaccination program, and you and your family are all vaccinated, why do you care if I choose not to get vaccinated? And don't give me any BS about "if you get sick it burdens the medical system and I have to pay for your care". I have insurance, and I pay all my bills, and being vaccinated you wont catch the illness from me.

 

I think you have mistaken me for someone else. I neither trust or distrust large companies- they are motivated by profit- like all companies- and need to be regulated and I would not excuse them if they willingly overlooked or disregarded the necessary safety protocols. I don't think big pharma is ripping us off anymore than any business is.

Simple.

a) You not vaccinating puts those with compromised immune systems at risk- that includes for instance infants that are too young to be vaccinated. Even if you yourself do not infect the child- you may infect someone else who ends up infecting the child. That also includes adults whose vaccines have weakened over time and those adults who cannot have vaccines. You endanger all of them
b) Vaccines are not perfect- but if you vaccinate virtually the entire population the illness can't find enough hosts to spread. Those not vaccinating put at risk those who vaccinations did not protect sufficiently.

I don't object because your unwillingness to vacinate may cause harm to your family or cost money- I object because it may cause harm to someone in my family.

 

Should a nice plague of some sort reappear the Darwin rule will solve the issue of non vacination...

 

I did some reading today.

The CDC claims that to eradicate a disease requires generally 80% of the population to be immunized (some require more, it varies based on the disease).
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...lYHQDw&usg=AFQjCNEZfLkyGykoijyZIL_th27KNGuCjA

Turns out vaccination only lasts 2-10 years, but that has only been known for the past 15 years or so. For decades, everyone - MD's included - thought that childhood vaccination lasted a lifetime. Measles immunization lasts about 10-12 years. Smallpox 3-5 years.

Vaccinations are not 100% effective either. The Rubella vaccine is only 75% effective and lasts 2-5 years. The annual flu vaccine is only 80% effective.

So all those vaccinations I had when I was in elementary school expired long ago, and for the last many decades me and everyone my age has not been immunized to all those diseases - measles, rubella, whooping cough, small pox, polio.

Most people over 30 do not get boosters and are not immunized for anything. The percent of the population immunized is probably around 50% and biased towards the young.

Far below the 80% the CDC claims is required for "herd immunity" and to eradicate a disease. So where are all the diseases? If so few are actually immune, why haven't we had all kinds of mass outbreaks over the past 50 years particularly in older people? Why is polio almost unknown in the US today?

Why were there only 3 cases of rubella in 2012, and none in 2009, 2010, 2011?

I've found a lot of articles blaming the spread of rubella (3 cases is a comeback?) on vaccine deniers. Bull. Almost nobody over 30 is immunized for rubella. My vaccination and almost all the boomers and older people "expired" a long, long time ago. This smacks of politics and pharma trying to protect their golden goose.

Now more than ever I distrust the vaccination program. Maybe there is less disease because of better health, better food, better sanitation.

 

I imagine you do.

 

When I first took some college classes before my senior year of high school, I had to have all my childhood vaccinations again. My pediatrician was dead and it was going to take an act of God to get my elementary school to cough up those records which they allegedly still had "in storage" but would take "up to 3 months to locate" so I just threw like $45 to student health and took the shots again. I was sick for a week after that even though the ones as a kid didn't bother me. Probably because they were giving them all to me at once instead of spread out over a year or two.

I do know that they also required that all the non-traditional students to get vaccinated again as well.

 

I have seen that as well but that extends the immunization period only 5-10 years. Thats why the consesnsus is that about 50% of the population is immunized. People 10+ years out of school (age 30+) are no longer immunized unless they get vaccinated, which few do.

I live in an ag community, about 8-10 years ago people started seeing adverse reactions in horses and cows to the highly combined vaccines (5 vaccines in 1 shot). If I remember correctly the rate was 30% adverse reaction for the 5 in 1, as reported by the U of Kentucky with respect to horses. Almost everyone stays with the 3 in 1 or less for horses and stagger vaccines over a week or more.

I have seen the same with children. Kids get sometimes 4 shots (1 in each arm & leg) of combined vaccines and then get sick. We know better and treat horses better than kids.

 

And you should be concerned as well. Before this thread I thought I was immunized. I had no idea all those vaccinations had worn off within 5-10 years.

One aspect you should be interested in is that you were blaming the "vaccine deniers" for putting the public at risk. From what I have read, the so called deniers are about 2% of the population. The CDC estimated 50% of the population was no longer immunized simply because people dont know the vaccines dont last a life time. Why the heavy focus by the media on 2%? Is it because they are asking embarassing questions?

Just think, probably every person over 30 that you encounter is not immunized against anything. That gives me a very different picture of the world.

And clearly we have not had "herd immunity" in the US for a very long time, probably not since the 1950-1960's after the polio vaccination effort. Yet everyone claims those 2% of "deniers" threaten the herd and blame them for every event no matter how small.

 

Good points the Community Health Centers immunize for all diseases I might get for $8 a shot at my sliding fee scale level and encourage them so am getting them over the next six months. I want to be protected from things that could hurt me. But why aren't primary care doctors and the government pushing vaccinations of adults at least for common medical risks?

 

I have an appt with my doctor for a annual physical, I have some questions for him about vaccinations as well.

I am wondering why we dont see much more illness. Why doesnt rubella or whooping cough run rampant? Maybe the vaccinations are needed in the very young but as we age (and with a good diet, sanitation, living quarters, etc) maybe our natural immune system is capable of handling these illnesses without vaccinations.