4 Things Anti-Gunners Don't Understand About Ghost Guns

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  1. 6Gunner

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    People need to educate themselves on this issue. The hysteria being spewed everywhere by irresponsible gun control advocates is nothing less than complete nonsense.

    4 Things Anti-Gunners Fail To Understand About 'Ghost Guns'

    Over the last few weeks, the issue of 3-D printed guns has dominated the news cycle. Gun control advocates are upset that the State Department settled with Defense Distributed to allow the company to post blueprints for 3-D printed guns beginning on Aug. 1. In fact, multiple states filed a lawsuit against the Trump Administration in order to put a temporary restraining order on Defense Distributed's blueprint launch. A federal court ruled in the states' favor and Defense Distributed was ordered to halt their Aug. 1 launch.

    With all of the hype surrounding 3-D printed guns, there are a few things that the general public does not know about these so-called "ghost guns," which do not have a serial number. Ghost guns can include an 80 percent lower as well as 3-D printed guns. That means that a non-plastic piece that is 80 percent finished can be used to produce the gun.

    Defense Distributed and other companies sell these 80 percent lowers, which are literally the bottom part of the gun. This is most commonly seen with AR-15s where people custom build their rifle. They combine the lower and the printer is then used to finish the gun with various pieces, like a slide.

    https://townhall.com/notebook/bethb...-fail-to-understand-about-ghost-guns-n2505888
     
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    The anti-gun left is only interested in the truth about guns insofar as it can use that truth to create fallacious appeals to emotion, ignorance and/or dishonesty, all as a means to push their otherwise unsupportable agenda.
     
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    There is no such thing as a 3D Printed Gun. Only some parts of a gun may be made this way. Those parts are weak, of inferior tolerances, take longer to make and cost many times what a complete real gun costs. Nobody would spend all that money to buy the expensive printer, make something so inferior and prone to failure, when the real thing is readily attainable with less effort and expense.

    Besides, Defense Distributed was never interested in 3D Printed Plastic Gun Parts. That was a trick, a stunt, a slight of hand, a means to an end. He succeeded, he has won. Outstanding play! Were he a quarterback on a football team he'd be dancing under the goal posts while both teams and the entire stadium stood in shock trying to figure out how in the hell did he get way over there so fast!?

    People were so scared of the silly plastic toys, they completely missed the real deal he was working on, and are still missing it.

    'scuse me ... I'm out of popcorn for watching this show ...
     
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    Do ghost guns shoot ghosts? What about black ghosts? Are there black ghost guns?

    How do you protect yourself against a man with a ghost gun? a ghostbusters gun maybe?
     
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    You are missing the point. From a criminal perspective these guns are best used as one and done so it doesn't matter if its as good as a gun made in a factory it just has to work once or twice and then can be ditched and replaced cheaply. I also wouldn't under estimate how quickly 3D printers evolve now that they are in the mainstream. 3d printing has been around for decades but it has only become more widely available to the public recently and not coincidentally it has seen ever rapid improvement as well.

    This is why no matter how many gun laws you pass it won't matter. You can't even deal withe the existing legitimate guns so how are stupid laws going to do anything about illegal 3d guns? Gun control activists have lost the debate and don't even know it yet.
     
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    What would the wild-eyed 2Aers do without the threat of gun control? They'd have to think about something real.
     
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    We'd go about our lives the same way we do now.
     
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    Gun control IS a very real threat. It's a threat to our civil liberties and our personal safety; to say nothing of the blatant and egregious disregard it demonstrates for the Constitution; not only the 2nd Amendment but the entirety of the Bill of Rights.
     
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    What would supporters of greater firearm-related restrictions were told by the public at large to shut up, mind their own business, and quit interrupting while the adults were talking?
     
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    That's for you to waste your time on, not me. I'm too busy enjoying my firearms and the great outdoors.
     
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    The number of posts present on the part of yourself would suggest otherwise.
     
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    I am wondering what Cody Wilson and Defense Distributed have up their sleeves next. Plastic 3D printed gun parts were a gimmick to trigger a legal battle, which they won. Now they are marketing their $2000 table top milling machine to finish 80% AR lowers and pistol frames in real aluminum, not plastic.

    I know they are building up a library, so they can amass more files of gun designs. I mean a real lending library that anyone can borrow from or download from.

    An Optical Comparator was added. That is an instrument to take highly precise and accurate measurements of a physical item. Such as a gun part. Meaning DD will be digitizing more gun parts that are not protected by copyright or patent.

    So the milling machine has small motors, able to handle the work load of cutting aluminum. But not of cutting steel, much more power needed to cut steel.

    So, I am wondering, will another project down the line be a more powerful table top milling machine? One that can cut steel pistol slides and bolts? Maybe start with something light duty like a Ruger 10/22 rifle bolt and firing pin? This sounds like a natural evolution from their machine made to mill aluminum. Bigger motors of course, sturdier frame and base. Unlikely that $2000 would buy one.

    The next really hard thing to do is barrel making at home. I've read of it being done by blackpowder hobbyists using 19th and 18th century methods and tools. But for modern designs and steel alloys? Much tougher problem.

    So how about a table top machine able to turn out a pistol barrel to match those 1911 and Glock 80% frames the first milling machine can already turn out?

    This Cody Wilson character is up to some pretty cool stuff. I cannot afford his gadgets, just buying guns the old fashioned way is so much cheaper. Fascinating to watch though..
     
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    Is there any chance that these developments could lead to copyright battles if reproductions of actual firearms are produced?
     
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    That's a patent issue.
    Patents run out, at which point the design is (usually) openly available - that's how everyone and their brother makes an AR15.
     
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    Only if they are stupid and fail to exercise due diligence in checking expiration of a patent. A gun design can have multiple patents, so it takes some care.

    Wilson has stated that there are a good many digitized gun design files only available via certain library services not readily accessible to the common citizen. Which is part of his reason to develop a legitimate lending library of his own. Obtain existing files from more sources, ones in the public domain, add more that his company develops and make it all available online.

    Then seel people the tools they need to make these things.
     
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    Identity politics never works.

    One thing some people don't realise is that some who advocate better gun control, available models and strictly enforcing regulations, especially on gun storage, actually own guns!!
     
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    Which does not mean anything of actual, meaningful substance.
     
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    While the 1911 is many years out of patent, there could be specific patents for any manufacturer who has made their own improvement or addition. That feels like a small risk though.

    The next problem is copyright for intellectual property. This would be something new, if a digital designer were to claim that a specific data file was a work of art or unique intellectual property, it would make for an interesting lawsuit.

    Of that instructables.com 1911, it is a non-working soft plastic toy built on a $19,000 machine.
     

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