43,644 people shot in America thus far this year

1214 drug overdoses. 3 times as bad a problem! We should probably make drugs illegal too.

https://documentcloud.adobe.com/lin...:scds:US:28cec50a-6c24-4132-bfb6-c4c1daab83e0

 

When you make the police stand down... murder rates go up.

How is this so hard for the Leftists that are responsible for the increase to understand it?

 

Dirty Donald served his one term of pure misery then Thank God he got his butt kicked and was thoroughly defeated. But like the child he is he cannot accept his thorough defeat like a man he instead tries to initiate armed rebellion against our nations capitol then after that disgusting failure he foments trouble with his BIG LIE that he tries to use to destroy our democracy. He should be arrested and tried as the traitor he really is.

 

No comments on my last post??

 

In the 6 years as a psychiatric Case Worker in the juvenile and adult Justice System, I had the opportunity to treat several individuals who were determined killers by their own admission. Based on interviews with these men, I don't think that the absence of a firearm would have deterred those who used them.
So, I hope that we can agree that a determined killer will find a way to kill his victim some way or another.

You mentioned innocent bystanders from gunfire but I feel certain that even more collateral damage will occur if or when firearms become harder to find and determined killers resort to crude WMDs like Molotov Cocktails, home made bombs, Anthrax, Bio-Chem weaponry etc.

For example, a determined New York City killer wanted to kill his girlfriend but couldn't find a gun.(1) He then rigged up a crude MWD with only one dollar's worth of gasoline and killed 86 people in addition to his girlfriend who was his target.
Now, that's collateral damage.

By the way, that single mass killing with only $1.00 of gasoline killed more people than any instance when an "assault weapon" or other firearm was used.

So, at least in America, fewer guns would mean even more deaths from criminal violence, not gun violence.

Thanks,


(1) "Happy Land fire"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_Land_fire

EXCERPT "González went to an Amoco gas station, then returned to the establishment with a plastic container with $1 worth of gasoline.[2][4] He spread the fuel at the base of a staircase, the only access into the club, and then ignited the gasoline.[5]

Eighty-seven people died in the resulting fire."CONTINUED

 

Guns kill 109 per day and wound well over 200 every day of the year in the good old USA.

 

It must be those robot guns that don't require people to operate them.

 

About the same number die from falls every year. Let's ban ladders.

 

Here's the logic:

Take away guns and people can't commit suicide (60% of all firearm related deaths are suicides).

Take away guns and gangs can't war with each other. See the great success in Mexico.

Take away guns and violence will stop. See all of history before guns existed.

 

Mexicans get their guns in the good old USA!!!

 

There are still over 50 countries in the world(1) with much higher homicide rates but gun ownership is either severely limited or completely forbidden.

If draconian gun laws worked, they would work everywhere, not just in cherry picked countries that are nothing like the US.(2)

Every one of your comments has been debunked and chanting hoplophobic nonsense is persuading no one.

(1) "Intentional homicides (per 100,000 people) - Country Ranking"
https://www.indexmundi.com/facts/indicators/VC.IHR.PSRC.P5/rankings


(2) "The Mistake of Only Comparing US Murder Rates to "Developed" Countries"
https://mises.org/wire/mistake-only-...oped-countries

EXCERPT " Note, however, that these comparisons always employ a carefully selected list of countries, most of which are very unlike the United States. They are countries that were settled long ago by the dominant ethnic group, they are ethnically non-diverse today, they are frequently very small countries (such as Norway, with a population of 5 million) with very locally based democracies (again, unlike the US with an immense population and far fewer representatives in government per voter). Politically, historically, and demographically, the US has little in common with Europe or Japan.

The US has the highest murder rate in the "developed world" — presumably because of its lax guns laws —we are told again and again.

Few people who repeat this mantra have any standard in their heads of what exactly is the "developed" world." CONTINUED

 

This myth originates from selection bias. Federal authorities only attempt to trace weapons submitted to them if they are suspected to originate in the U.S. Weapons that originate at a Norinco factory (china), from the Mexican military (deserters) or that came in from Guatemala are not part of the sample.

Do you really think a multi-billion dollar industry will have trouble getting their hands on large shipments of weapons from their Chinese fentanyl suppliers? You think their only recourse is to send their girlfriends into Texas to make straw purchases?

 

No they get them here because weapons sales are extremely limited and tightly controlled in Mexico.

 

TG for all our Secret Police agencies!

“A gun plea gets a terror sentence

Two days after the call, Rayyan got an unexpected visit. Federal agents arrested him for possession of a firearm by an unlawful user of a controlled substance. Rayyan didn't have a new pistol. He didn't have any guns. The firearm in question was the revolver that Detroit police had confiscated months earlier during the traffic stop.

Jannah, the woman who encouraged Rayyan to kill innocent people for Allah, was an undercover FBI employee. Rayyan's first love, Ghaada, was also a fictitious persona. In a court filing, prosecutors declined to reveal what agency or department may or may not have employed the individual who pretended to be Ghaada.

The government had engineered the romantic intrigue to bust Rayyan for ISIS support. The FBI spent nearly a year investigating him. Despite the investment of time and resources, the sting failed to yield any terrorism charges.”
(CNN), How a suicidal pizza man found himself ensnared in an FBI terror sting, By Lisa Rose, CNN, November 29, 2017.
https://edition.cnn.com/2017/11/29/politics/aby-rayyan-fbi-terror-sting-pizza-man/index.html

 

The FBI has a long history of organizing and leadings insurrections. Surely you know that.

“The government employed at least a dozen confidential informants to infiltrate groups of armed extremists who allegedly plotted to kidnap the governor of Michigan, according to a new filing in federal court on Monday.

The filing, made by one of the five defendants in the federal case, asked that prosecutors be ordered to share more information about those informants, their relationship with the FBI, and the specific roles they played in building the case. It came among a blizzard of 15 new defense motions in the high-profile case, including requests to move it to a different district, to suppress evidence from a search warrant, and to try at least one defendant separately from the others.

Taken together, the new court papers offered a glimpse of the evolving defense strategies in the case, with several attorneys saying that they plan to argue that the FBI “induced or persuaded” the men to go along with the scheme.”
BUZZFEED, The FBI Allegedly Used At Least 12 Informants In The Michigan Kidnapping Case, Defense attorneys said they will argue that the FBI “induced or persuaded” the defendants to go along with the violent, By Jessica Garrison, Ken Benzinger, July 12, 2021.
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/articl...n-michigan-kidnap-plot?bfsource=relatedmanual

A criminal organization led by the secret police has become an agency of the secret police.

 

Riiiight... The Mexican government is... In control...

That's a real knee slapper.

Do you know what percentage of the Mexican army goes awol with their service weapons every year?

 

https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Desertion-rate-plagues-Mexico-s-army-Poor-pay-2584599.php

Oops.

 

The FBI had an informant in the crowd during the Capitol riot on Jan. 6, the New York Times reported on Saturday. The report said the secret informant was a member of Proud Boys, and revealed the group "had no plans to engage in violence" on Jan. 6, and there were no preplanned discussions of storming the U.S. Capitol.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/25/us/capitol-riot-fbi-informant.html?

https://www.theblaze.com/news/fbi-i...vYpeYDfcuuewVe3WiGXORujIlU65bMaEu6HjH5e5si3p0

 

yes, they should have and I agree, that was good to hear that it was a spur of the moment act for them (the proud boys)

 

No ….just more evidence that your Jan 6 protest had your FBI plants participating in entering the Capitol … we see where the other plant with the camera was just so happens where trouble was …. Was the FBI plants the ones riling the crowds as the un-indicted coconspirators?. That were never apprehended or charged?

 

Yess, the investigation of J6 is discovering FBI DNA and fingerprints all over the J6 “insurrection”.

“The use of informants always presents law enforcement officials with difficult judgments about the credibility and completeness of the information they provide. In this case, the records obtained by The Times do not directly address whether the informant was in a good position to know about plans developed for Jan. 6 by the leadership of the Proud Boys, why he was cooperating, whether he could have missed indications of a plot or whether he could have deliberately misled the government.

But the records, and information from two people familiar with the matter, suggest that federal law enforcement had a far greater visibility into the assault on the Capitol, even as it was taking place, than was previously known.”
THE NEW YORK TIMES, Among Those Who Marched Into the Capitol on Jan. 6: An F.B.I. Informant, By Alan Feuer and Adam Goldman, Sept. 25, 2021.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/25/us/capitol-riot-fbi-informant.html?

 

What's the breakdown, the stats on those killings? As in, muggings, gang related, accidents etc...

Sorry if the thread has listed that somewhere, I just couldn't be bothered to go through a million posts.

 

2020 under Dirty Donald set the record for gun deaths in our country which we re on pace to exceed this year.

 

The posts from that poster appear to be a talking point shotgun approach. Not a lot of substance behind the discussion there.

Can't say I haven't tried to get them to engage. Oh well.

 

He cannot be bothered going through all posts, wants someone else todo the work????