4th Reich On The Rise In Europe?

I had hoped that you possessed the same measure of maturity & critical literacy you display when rejecting Hasbara drivel and could discuss this volatile issue without rancor, name calling and assuming ill intent but I was mistaken.

Your attempt to dismiss the fact that 150,000 Jews and about 2 million non German, Blacks, Slavs, Asians etc served in Germany's military was as shallow as it was replete with mistakes & false assumptions.
No, they didn't sterilize Blacks or anyone else in Germany's WW2 military to the best of my knowledge & as inconvenient as it may be to your MSM indoctrination, Jews rose to the very highest ranks commanding over 100,000 men and were awarded Germany's highest military honors.

I served in America's military and one doesn't rise to the rank of general or admiral without doing so ambitiously & willingly or receive the highest military honors without appreciated merit.

Finally, When I wrote that the Nazi Party comprised only 5% - 10%, I meant precisely what was confirmed in in the same article you posted and in Wikipedia(1), the core of the National Socialist Party.
Your accusation that I was willingly trying to deceive you or anyone else is simply another dishonest, baseless & lowly insult.

Yes, I suppose generating hostile verbiage & personal attacks take time but its a poor substitute for calm reasoning, honesty and factual debate.

(1) Nazi Party
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Party
EXCERPT "General membership
It continued to attract many more and by 1945 the party reached its peak of 8 million with 63% being male and 37% being female (about 10% of the German population of 80 million)."CONTINUED

 

Plenty of Nazi's when they were winning, none to be found after they had lost.

 

To what degree are you going to lie, slander me and distort what I clearly articulated behind my back?

I said noting about "Nazi support"

What part of: "...actual Nazis..." is unclear to you?

"Nazi Party"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Party
EXCERPT "General membership
It continued to attract many more and by 1945 the party reached its peak of 8 million with 63% being male and 37% being female (about 10% of the German population of 80 million)."CONTINUED

 

Of course this is a human universal. How many Irishmen were involved in the Easter Rising? Apparently, every one you met a few years after it was over.

My former wife's father walked from Normandy to Paris in 1944, and later spoke of meeting many members of the "Resistance of September '44", not so many from earlier years. [Paris was liberated in August.] By and large, the French people did not resist German occupation, and happily handed their Jews over to the Nazis. (The main exception was the French Communist Party ... after the Soviet Union was invaded.)

We get movies like Schindler's List, which rightly honors an individual German businessman. No one honors the literally hundreds of thousands of ordinary Germans, supporters of the Communist and Social Democratic Parties, who fought the Nazis in the streets before they got power. Nor the tens of thousands of German enemies of the Nazis who were sent into prison after the Nazis got power, probably because, in the US anyway, it's not convenient to remember that the most determined enemies of the Nazis in Germany were on the Left.

Would any other nation have been any better? Would the British have behaved more resolutely than the French? There is no reason to think so. And the same for the Americans. As for the Germans -- the ordinary German -- while their government appeared to be winning the war, yes, the 'supported' it. Did this make the ordinary German a Nazi? No, it made him an ordinary person.

Grau: this is an emotional issue for some people, and it sometimes makes their emotions rule their intellect. Similar lack of clarity will arise when debating about Stalin or Mao, or about Israel/Palestine, or whether slavery in the US was nothing but a daily regime of rapes and beatings and hangings for the slave population, etc etc. Try to do anything, when discussing these subjects, other than scream EVIL EVIL EVIL at the top of your voice, and some people will assume you're apologizing for evil. All you can hope is that there are some people who will read carefully and understand your argument.

 

Within your house alone, govern your cockroaches with an iron fist, i'm certain you don't have a spouse.

 

This raises an interesting question about modern fascists.

The original fascists were very big on The Family, by which of course they meant the Traditional Family, with women subordinate to men -- all in the nicest possible way, of course, the way Islamists claim that, oh no, women are not considered inferior in Islam,etc ... but everyone knows that's BS.

But the world has moved on, beyond fascism and fundamentalism. Or, in any case, modern society no longer assumes woman's place is in the home, with the occasional odd exception like Hanna Reitsch or Melitta von Stauffenberg [whose Jewish grandfather didn't keep her from being one of Hitler's best test pilots, reference an earlier sub-thread in this thread], or Amelia Earhart.

No, today women are flooding into political leadership positions, becoming entrepreneurs, pilots, scientists, engineers, mathematicians, . Speaking of the latter, the first Fields Medal was won by a woman four years ago, an Iranian living in the US -- of course, she wouldn't be welcome in a racially-pure white America, being a Persian... but would she be (or have been, since, tragically, she died recently) comfortable as a woman in such a society?

How would modern fascists deal with the Female Revolution? All the current fascists-of-the-street in the US seem to be male ... (apparently, mainly young males who can't get a girlfriend). But is this due to their ideology? Can we look forward to fascist feminism? (Of course, some of us would say that a lot of radical feminists are already fascist in their methods of advancing their cause but that doesn't refer to their official ideology.)

Might a future American Reich even by led by eine Führerin?

Don't laugh! Anything is possible!

 

There's more us out there than your mainstream insight would even realize.

Our numbers and ranks grow every year.

 

In prisons, sure, but also the Black and Hispanic gangs, I don't care who gets ****ed in the shower as long as normal ppl make documentaries on that so we can all enjoy your "progress"
As soon as you wear your Swastika outdoors you get the treatment you deserve and that's one of the few things that are REAL in your life.

 

Oh yes, I'm very much aware of the current environment mind you, but my how the winds can change very quickly in opposite directions.....

You should know that.

 

Thank you for correctly interpreting what I have attempted to communicate as clearly as I could. You are obviously right in that many people are incapable of calmly & rationally discussing facts that are contrary to what they have been indoctrinated to believe.
Yes, I know that the Nazis did horrible things but educated & mature adults should also know that whenever the victors write the history, truth becomes an inevitable casualty just as no single race, religion, nationality or ethnic group has a monopoly on either good or evil.
You're right that in discussing Stalin, Mao, Israel-Palestine and the nature of slavery in the US, strong passions are ignited however when mature adults willingly participates in a debate forum they should be able to do so without rancor or vitriol.

Thanks again

 

Best spend the rest of your life as a good Human being, be good to yourself and others and leave this hatred crap behind you, it will get you nothing but hemorrhoids.....

 

What von Clausewitz should do is to watch The Summer of My German Soldier, and then ... for someone to arrange a similar experience for him. I mean, if this fellow -- the KKK's best bomb-maker -- can change for the better, anyone can.

 

I agree that working to be a good human being is an admirable goal and that harboring both anger and hatred are very self-destructive & counterproductive habits however I have not noticed that CvC has expressed any angry or hate filled comments
Have I missed something?

 

Yes, I should be just scared straight [into the mainstream] or find love.......

You don't become somebody like me without studying things for years on end in depth. I don't believe in anything without studying first every detail, points, and counter arguments for hours on end.

Also, it's interesting to note that my own political history I didn't originate as a national socialist in the beginning. There's a kind of progression or transformation full of interesting twists and turns that leads one into becoming a modern day national socialist. I should really write a book or something.

 

He despises Jews. All Jews.

This is different from believing, say, that Zionists have too much influence in the US, or that the Israelis are brutal towards the Palestinians, or even that what happened to the Jews in Europe during WWII has been exploited later and made to seem even worse than it was. It's different from despising this or that particular Jew. (I do that, every time one of Netanyahu's cabinet is interviewed.)

It's even different from believing that Jews in their majority are inherently non-nationalist except in Israel-- which of course a nationalist wouldn't like. All of these are arguable positions, in which there will be evidence on both sides. (Sort of like "German guilt" for atrocities in WWII, which we have been arguing about -- in a sense CvC takes the "all Germans are collectively guilty" line which some people here seem to come close to having, and just applies the same (wrong) logic to Jews as a group instead of to Germans as a group.)

Once this kind of belief has taken hold, then it's really easy to get into what I consider really crazy stuff: Jews get all those Nobel Prizes in physics because they control the Nobel awarding committee -- they have so many grandmasters in chess because ... they are prominent among world-class mathematicians because .... it's paranoid thinking.

But ... I don't have any reason to believe CvC, or the other people I have met who have this same view, is actually paranoid. (Calling your political opponents "crazy" is a cheap shot that is almost always factually wrong, in the sense that they are almost never "crazy" in any other respect than their political beliefs. It just muddies the waters.)

To me, it's a mystery. And not one in the sense that I find it hard to understand how anyone could, nowadays, advocate genuine socialism, i.e. a centralized planned nationalized economy, or want to, as consistent Libertarians do, auction off the National Parks. There are a lot of crazy political ideas that people cling to, for various reasons. I'm just talking about factual points.

What I don't understand is how someone can see two Jews violently arguing with each other -- one of them a strong Jewish nationalist who thinks Israel is perfect, the other a strong anti-Zionist who is leading a Boycott-Israel group -- or one of them an airhead liberal kum-ba-yah type who would open the borders to everyone, the other a strong proponent of a strict immigration policy -- and then be able to say, "All of them are part of a giant conspiracy."

 

Yes you should. It would be interesting.

 

Stop with the Nazi-rethoric already on this forum. Your post has been reported as inciting hatred.
And, FYI, inciting hatred is defined as;

• spreading inflammatory rumours about an individual or an ethnic group, for the purpose of creating racial discontent.

 

Over the many long years let us just say I went from democratic socialist, communist, and to an anarchist. Yes, you've heard me correctly on the past communist factor but that was years ago when I was a foolishly naive younger man.

 

Thank you.

Actually my posts are very mild in that you'll notice I don't outright attack anybody but I'm sure this won't stop you from finding a way to get me in trouble with your hurt feelings.

 

Well, there is definitely some work to be done then with individuals going around all over the place attacking others calling them white supremacists, but that's ok, right?

 

Do you honestly feel that way about all Jews, worldwide?
I am among several non Jews I know who have benefited from the selfless & generous acts of Jewish individuals over almost 70 years.
Additionally, I see Jews as people like everyone else whose views & values are as diverse as any other ethnic / religious group.

For example:

"Hundreds of Young U.S. Jews Protest Outside AIPAC Against Occupation"
https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/hun...c-in-protest-of-israeli-settlements-1.5453568
EXCERPT "Hundreds of young Jewish American activists marched outside of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee conference in Washington.

The activists, who oppose AIPAC's support for the policies of the current Israeli government on the settlements, carried signs and chanted calls to end the occupation. Some chained themselves to the entrance of the conference center, blocking it" CONTINUED

 

You know there was a time I thought very highly of Jews in once respecting them but I then started noticing them being overrepresented in open immigration, radical feminism, imperial wars of aggression, destructive financial-banking monopolies, and finally anti-whiteness or anti white European identity all over the west.

I use to be a carbon copy of you but like with anybody things arose which changed my mind or views completely.

 

Grau: Exactly!

I hope that this attempt at censorship does not happen.
CvC puts forth an argument. Several of us try to refute it.
He does not say something like "XYZ [some specific person] is a secret child molester",or "We should all go out and start killing all the [some specific group]". Either of those kinds of things might warrant censorship. He's making an argument: the Jews are a worldwide conspiracy, going back hundreds, even thousands of years. I think it's a ridiculous argument, but ... it can be argued and refuted.

And ... how is CvC's argument so very different from the argument we hear from the hard Left all the time, to the effect that "The capitalists/big corporations are a conspiracy ... they are trying to rule the world ... they're sucking the blood of the 99% ... they must be smashed!"

There are people who believe in banning/censoring such argument, but they're usually to be found on the far Right.

 

I come to this forum in complete utter transparency and I have presented myself in a pretty straightforward manner having nothing to hide regarding my beliefs.

I restrain myself very often concerning conversation and try to do my best in not attacking others. For somebody of my political persuasion I think that I do very good all things considering in that you'll not find many civil national socialists running around like me.

All throughout the west people like me are the proverbial boogeyman, devil, or the incarnate of pure evil depending who you ask concerning interpretations.

Many people wish they could get rid of people like me, well here's your chance. I come here as an olive branch as a token of communication, understanding, and dialogue, if you can challenge my views I welcome it whole heartedly in debate.

Maybe, just maybe people are not interested in dialogue, debate, understanding, or communication with their opposition at all. Not that it threatens me any but it really makes you wonder.

 

They're over-represented almost everywhere! They're smarter, on average, than you and me. Genes, or something.