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  1. Questerr

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    It’s not slander when you have repeatedly lied about me.
     
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    You want to increase legal immigration by dirt poor foreigners by how much?
     
  3. Questerr

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    I’m not a multi-million dollar think tank that has the research to give exact numbers.
     
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    Ok I will give you a number

    Zero

    We do not need any more poor people in America than we already have
     
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    I go there quite a bit on business. Never any problems.
     
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    And yet wherever implemented it has been very successful.

    "Yet this barrier triggered a process of trial and error with border walls that, over the course of 2 1/2 decades, has reduced the number of apprehensions of illegal aliens in San Diego from more than 628,000 in fiscal 1986 to its current number of around 30,000 a year."

    https://www.theepochtimes.com/san-diego-where-a-border-wall-works_2297915.html
     
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    Here is the flaw in your argument Questerr:

    You argue that a wall won't work because where there is a will there is a way and it will simply create a willful temptation to sneak in, or create a black market for getting people into the country illegally.

    If we decide to let in 100000 immigrants, what happens to the 100001st guy? Will he sneak in, or solicit black market help? What if we decide to let in 500000? What about the 500001st guy? And so on and so on. Unless we let everyone in (open borders, essentially) those who don't make the cut may still try to sneak in or solicit black market help -- which is why you see support for the wall, better border security, etc.

    Our welfare system could not handle an endless flood of impoverished immirants. We need standards, and we need to enforce the laws (a border wall would help with enforcement.) Among other things, the minute an immigrant or "asylum seeker" applied for welfare, I'd send him back to where he came from.
     
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    Maybe thats exactly what we should allow to happen, then stand back and watch them eat each other.
     
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    Wait a minute; why spend our money on the wall then Mexico is going to pay??
     
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    Exactly

    Questarr has no idea how many poor foreigners would arrive here if we listen to him and just swing the doors wide open

    Nor does he care
     
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    Mexico refuses to pay

    So we will build the wall
     
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    No

    Liberals and shoeless foreigners will destroy America and never look back
     
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    What would be the requirements in a new legal immigration policy?
     
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    Good question
     
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    Wouldn’t have to be too different than they are now for student and work visas, just lower the artificially inflated fees the government charges for them.
     
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    We need less immigration not more

    America already has too many poor people
     
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    I thought the argument was that Conservatives aren’t opposed to immigration, only *illegal* immigration?
     
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    I could be wrong, but my impression is that a great many of those crossing illegally now are not students and may or may not be seeking work, but the majority are seeking welfare.
     
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    A good number of them are actually refugees seeking asylum.

    But I don’t get how this meme works for the Right. You can’t simultaneously claim illegals are coming here to take American jobs and claim illegals are coming here so they don’t have to work. Pick one.
     
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    Most conservatives support merit based immigration where only the best and brightest with needed skills are given a green card

    But not the Come-One-Come-All liberal immigration policy
     
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    There are at least 2 billion people in the world in desperate conditions

    We cant be expected to destroy our own country trying to help them
     
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    Without a wall we have to have eyes on the entire border. With a wall we need less eyes where the wall is and can focus where there is no wall. The El Paso border wall/fence reduced illegals entering this country by 93%.

    Also, it takes time to hop over a wall, it can be done en masse, and once we're alerted they can't hop back over en masse, either. There is no down side to a wall, none. And knowing that wall is there, how many lives will be saved by people not even trying to come here and they won't die in the desert or be murdered by coyotes.
     
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    Hold on a second; Trump promised that Mexico would pay for the wall and he'd reassured us that he could make them do it. What's he waiting for?
     
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    Thank you for your service.

    THE INTENSITY OF THE IMMIGRATION DEBATE, EXPLAINED:

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    Across the West, existing voters won’t give the left the power it wants, so they’re importing new ones.
     
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    That was just campaign rhetoric

    But we need the wall
     

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