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  1. Jack Hays

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    It was not her role, or the role of any individual presenter, to pose critical thinking questions. The critical thinking was the responsibility of the students after taking in the presentations.
     
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    You have a point there, but my point originally was more intended for this thread. There was nothing but her perspective--I'd hoped she would pose some questions.

    Regardless, if you want students to think critically, you really do have to at least suggest points of analysis for them to focus on. Not sure what level the students were at, hopefully Masters level, but one big problem with tossing out five different opinions/perspectives is that the audience would be more inclined to voice opinions than to analyze.

    The issue is quite complex and the science so far is largely theory, and at a point you have to either follow your biases or shrug your shoulders.
     
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    That's not the point AT ALL.

    She used this instance as an argument that those concerned about climate change are more likely to take part in that kind of poorly formed symposium.

    Her comments related to that were a wildly political cheap hack that suggests one should take the remainder of her comments with more than just a grain of salt.
     
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    Sorry, but you have missed the point entirely.
     
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    She made the organization of that event the central point supporting her opinion.
     
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    No. That is nowhere in her post.
     
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    So what, Congress and the president should do nothing?

    It seems to me either side could be wrong, the do something crowd, the do nothing crowd. Someone is right, but who?

    Okay, from a legislators POV......

    What side of the argument should we err on (pro ACC, do something) (anti ACC, do nothing) , if err we must?

    Another question, IF we are headed for climate doom within the next 50 - 100 years, is it at all possible (even if seemingly improbable) that doing something could prevent it?

    See, from where I sit, as a non scientist, I don't know. So, as legislator, I have to place a bet. I approach it this way? On whose side do we place our legislative bet if we must err? The do nothing guys, or the do something guys?

    If we are headed for climate doom, and do nothing, doom is inevitable IF

    If we are headed for climate doom, and we do something, at least there is hope, even if the cost is great.

    If we are not headed for doom, and we do something, all we have lost is money.

    If we are headed for doom, and do nothing, when doing something might have given us hope, that will be a mighty bitter pill to take, when extinction is nigh.

    So, it seems to me, the prudent course to take is to side wtih the do something guys.
     
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  8. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member

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    Nice, source, score one for you.

    How about:

    Physical science of climate change, effects

    Energetics of surface melt in West Antarctica
    Ghiz et al. The Cryosphere
    Open Access pdf 10.5194/tc

    Quantifying the Mechanisms of Atmospheric Circulation Response to Greenhouse Gas Increases in a Forcing–Feedback Framework
    Zhang et al. Journal of Climate
    10.1175/jcli

    Observations of climate change, effects

    Increasing probability of record-shattering climate extremes
    Fischer et al. Nature Climate Change
    10.1038/s41558

    Decadal changes of heatwave aspects and heat index over Egypt
    Morsy & El Afandi Theoretical and Applied Climatology
    10.1007/s00704

    The role of North West Equatorial Indian Ocean in modulating the variability of southwest monsoon rainfall over Kerala in a climate change perspective
    Nair et al. Theoretical and Applied Climatology
    10.1007/s00704

    Anthropogenic forcing and response yield observed positive trend in Earth’s energy imbalance
    Raghuraman et al. Nature Communications
    Open Access pdf 10.1038/s41467

    A Recent Increase in Long-Lived Heatwaves in China under the Joint Influence of South Asia and Western North Pacific Subtropical Highs
    LI et al. Journal of Climate
    10.1175/jcli

    Accelerated Recent Warming and Temperature Variability over the Past Eight Centuries in the Central Asian Altai from Blue Intensity in Tree Rings
    Davi et al. Geophysical Research Letters
    Open Access pdf 10.1029/2021gl092933

    Recent evidence for warmer and drier growing seasons in climate sensitive regions of Central America from multiple global data sets
    Stewart et al. International Journal of Climatology
    10.1002/joc.7310

    Rapid ecosystem-scale consequences of acute deoxygenation on a Caribbean coral reef
    Johnson et al. Nature Communications
    Open Access pdf 10.1038/s41467

    Comparison of the distribution and phenology of Arctic Mountain plants between the early 20th and 21st centuries
    MacDougall et al. Global Change Biology
    10.1111/gcb.15767

    Appraising the historical and projected spatiotemporal changes in the heat index in Bangladesh
    Rahman et al. Theoretical and Applied Climatology
    Open Access 10.21203/rs.3.rs

    Lightning occurrences and intensity over the Indian region: long-term trends and future projections
    Chakraborty et al. Atmospheric Chemistry and Physics
    Open Access pdf 10.5194/acp

    Increasing annual streamflow and groundwater storage in response to climate warming in the Yangtze River source region
    Yi et al. Environmental Research Letters
    Open Access 10.1088/1748

    Climate-driven phenological changes in the Russian Arctic derived from MODIS LAI time series 2000–2019
    Shabanov et al. Environmental Research Letters
    Open Access 10.1088/1748

    The recent emergence of Arctic Amplification
    England et al. Geophysical Research Letters
    Open Access 10.1002/essoar.10507036.1

    Instrumentation & observational methods of climate change, effects

    NASA CERES Spurious Calibration Drifts Corrected by Lunar Scans to Show the Sun is not Increasing Global Warming and allow Immediate CRF detection
    Grant Geophysical Research Letters
    10.1029/2021gl092994

    The Polar Radiant Energy in the Far Infrared Experiment: A New Perspective on Polar Longwave Energy Exchanges
    L’Ecuyer et al. Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society
    Open Access pdf 10.1175/bams

    Anthropogenic forcing and response yield observed positive trend in Earth’s energy imbalance
    Raghuraman et al. Nature Communications
    Open Access pdf 10.1038/s41467

    Advances in quantifying power plant CO2 emissions with OCO-2
    Nassar et al. Remote Sensing of Environment
    Open Access 10.1016/j.rse.2021.112579

    Modeling tree radial growth in a warming climate: where, when, and how much do potential evapotranspiration models matter?
    Dannenberg Environmental Research Letters
    Open Access 10.1088/1748

    Using machine learning to analyze physical causes of climate change: A case study of U.S. Midwest extreme precipitation
    Davenport & Diffenbaugh Geophysical Research Letters
    Open Access pdf 10.1029/2021gl093787

    Modeling, simulation & projection of climate change, effects

    Changes in precipitation variability across time scales in multiple global climate model large ensembles
    Wood et al. Environmental Research Letters
    Open Access 10.1088/1748

    Hot spots of extreme precipitation change under 1.5 and 2?°C global warming scenarios
    Xu et al. Weather and Climate Extremes
    Open Access 10.1016/j.wace.2021.100357

    The impact of sea-ice loss on Arctic climate feedbacks and their role for Arctic Amplification
    Jenkins & Dai Geophysical Research Letters
    10.1029/2021gl094599

    Antarctic Radiative and Temperature responses to a doubling of CO2
    Freese & Cronin Geophysical Research Letters
    10.1029/2021gl093676

    Changes in extreme ocean wave heights under 1.5°C, 2°C, and 3°C global warming
    Patra et al. Weather and Climate Extremes
    Open Access 10.1016/j.wace.2021.100358

    Circulation adjustment in the Arctic and Atlantic in response to Greenland and Antarctic mass loss
    Berk et al. Climate Dynamics
    Open Access pdf 10.1007/s00382

    Coupled Climate Responses to Recent Australian Wildfire and COVID-19 Emissions Anomalies Estimated in CESM2
    Fasullo et al. Geophysical Research Letters
    Open Access pdf 10.1029/2021gl093841

    Dissecting anvil cloud response to sea surface warming
    Beydoun et al. Geophysical Research Letters
    10.1029/2021gl094049

    Appraising the historical and projected spatiotemporal changes in the heat index in Bangladesh
    Rahman et al. Theoretical and Applied Climatology
    Open Access 10.21203/rs.3.rs

    Lightning occurrences and intensity over the Indian region: long-term trends and future projections
    Chakraborty et al. Atmospheric Chemistry and Physics
    Open Access pdf 10.5194/acp

    FaIRv2.0.0: a generalized impulse response model for climate uncertainty and future scenario exploration
    Leach et al. Geoscientific Model Development
    Open Access pdf 10.5194/gmd

    Impact of Surface forcing on simulating Sea Surface Temperature in the Indian Ocean – A study using Regional Ocean Modeling System (ROMS)
    Tiwari et al. Dynamics of Atmospheres and Oceans
    10.1016/j.dynatmoce.2021.101243

    Advances in climate & climate effects modeling, simulation & projection

    Assessment of the capability of CMIP6 global climate models to simulate Arctic cyclones
    Song et al. Advances in Climate Change Research
    Open Access 10.1016/j.accre.2021.07.007

    Bjerknes compensation in a coupled global box model
    Shi & Yang Yang Climate Dynamics
    Open Access pdf 10.1007/s00382

    A shallow thermocline bias in the southern tropical Pacific in CMIP5/6 models linked to double-ITCZ bias
    Samuels et al. Geophysical Research Letters
    10.1029/2021gl093818

    Diverse responses of global-mean surface temperature to external forcings and internal climate variability in observations and CMIP6 models
    Rashid Geophysical Research Letters
    10.1029/2021gl093194

    Cryosphere & climate change

    The impact of sea-ice loss on Arctic climate feedbacks and their role for Arctic Amplification
    Jenkins & Dai Geophysical Research Letters
    10.1029/2021gl094599

    Onshore thermokarst primes subsea permafrost degradation
    Angelopoulos et al. Geophysical Research Letters
    10.1029/2021gl093881

    Warm and moist atmospheric flow caused a record minimum July sea ice extent of the Arctic in 2020
    Liang et al.
    Open Access pdf 10.5194/tc

    Energetics of surface melt in West Antarctica
    Ghiz et al. The Cryosphere
    Open Access pdf 10.5194/tc

    Lateral thermokarst patterns in permafrost peat plateaus in northern Norway
    Martin et al. The Cryosphere
    Open Access pdf 10.5194/tc

    Changes in Supraglacial Lakes on George VI Ice Shelf, Antarctic Peninsula: 1973–2020
    Barnes et al.
    Open Access pdf 10.5194/tc

    Sea level & climate change

    Quantifying climate-induced drought risk to livelihood and mitigation actions in Balochistan
    Ashraf et al. Natural Hazards
    Open Access pdf 10.1007/s11069

    Paleoclimate

    A 350-year multiproxy record of climate-driven environmental shifts in the Amundsen Sea Polynya, Antarctica
    Kim et al. Global and Planetary Change
    10.1016/j.gloplacha.2021.103589

    The archaeology of climate change: The case for cultural diversity
    Burke et al. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences
    Open Access pdf 10.1073/pnas.2108537118

    Reorganization of Atlantic waters at sub-polar latitudes linked to deep water overflow in both glacial and interglacial climate states
    Holmes et al.
    Open Access pdf 10.5194/cp

    Massive carbon storage in convergent margins initiated by subduction of limestone
    Chen et al. Nature Communications
    Open Access pdf 10.1038/s41467

    Biology & climate change

    Comparison of the distribution and phenology of Arctic Mountain plants between the early 20th and 21st centuries
    MacDougall et al. Global Change Biology
    10.1111/gcb.15767

    Critical transitions and ecological resilience of large marine ecosystems in the Northwestern Pacific in response to global warming
    Ma et al. Global Change Biology
    10.1111/gcb.15815

    Effect of long-term intergenerational exposure to ocean acidification on ompa and ompb transcripts expression in European seabass (Dicentrarchus labrax)
    David et al. Marine Environmental Research
    10.1016/j.marenvres.2021.105438

    Projections of changes in ecosystem productivity under 1.5?°C and 2?°C global warming
    Tian et al. Global and Planetary Change
    10.1016/j.gloplacha.2021.103588

    Molecular underpinnings and biogeochemical consequences of enhanced diatom growth in a warming Southern Ocean
    Jabre et al. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences
    Open Access pdf 10.1073/pnas.2107238118

    Elevated atmospheric CO2 adversely affects a dung beetle’s development: Another potential driver of decline in insect numbers?
    Tocco et al. Global Change Biology
    10.1111/gcb.15804
    There are many more, the above is truncated due to the 16000 character limit.
     
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  9. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Do you personally control climate all over the world?
    Do you believe I myself control climate globally?
    What are your plans for this planet?

    Do something about false claims that things will end kind of soon?
     
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    None of which addresses my post.
     
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    And I would be extraordinarily happy if that were in display on this thread
     
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    Inanity

    an argument so inane it is worthless
     
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    Good list - research papers and unfortunately too many denialists are unable to tell the difference between a research paper and some anonymous blog post.

    The really hilarious thing is that it does not matter how whacky the theory or how kindergarten level the “evidence” as long as it supports their world view it is correct
     
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    Why would you ask a question you know the answer to?
    Ditto (above)
    I'm asking the question, what should be done, if anything should be done, and if it can be done?
    I'm not claiming any such thing, I'm asking "IF" questions, because that's all I can see is available to ask.
     
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    You made an allegation, but the link is long.

    Can you give me the bullet points for a laymen?
     
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    The link is to a thread. Posts #1 and #2 are sufficient.
     
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    Nope! They are not

    Like Patricio I too would like to see the cliff notes
     
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    You have been at this climate thing now for a few years that I know of.
    What progress have you made?
    What are you doing about your problem?
     
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    Please state the specific metric you want to see.

    And, please show how you have fared with your posts on this site by that metric.
     
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    The root problem with climate change is it's complexity and scope and requires inquiring minds and technical study all of which average people cannot comprehend...this same root problem exists for all complex issues...IMO there is no way to alter our course...
     
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    Luckily, we don't need to.
     

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