5 people shot dead in one bloody New York night

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  1. Shonyman32

    Shonyman32 Well-Known Member

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    A fix for that would be to require new manufacturers to record who they sold the gun to. Then if the original owner ever sold the gun it's his and the buyers responsibility to right and keep a bill of sale or file it with the state saying I have sold that weapon.

    Just one potential. More or less treating them like cars.
     
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    Thingamabob Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    "100 percent disagree about it needing to be repealed" is untrue. Now, either your statement is a mistaken assumption or it's worse than that.
     
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    Thingamabob Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    OK.
     
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    Just to clarify manufacturers don't usually sell guns directly to people they sell them to dealers who then sell them to people. But I get what you are saying.

    I however do not support such a thing even though I do understand how it could be helpful. The reason I don't support it, as well as most other gun owners, is because it's basically a soft registry. I don't support it primarily due to trust issues. Every time I turn on the news for the past decade at least once a day I see some lawmaker out there telling me that I shouldn't be allowed to have the type of guns that I own. Fast forward to today and there are Presidential Candidates who openly state that if they were elected some would even go so far as to execute an executive order to make some of my guns illegal to own. The most popular of the Democrat Candidates flat out said "Yes I am coming for your assault rifles because they should never have been legal in the first place".

    For me personally I feel that it is my Constitutional Right to possess any and everything that I have in my closet. I may be correct or I may be wrong, I don't know, but it's what I believe and it's what millions of others believe. Our only defense against a policy that we believe would be Constitutionally illegal is the fact that nobody actually knows that we are in possession of these firearms. It's pretty hard to confiscate guns that you can't trace. Once again, the whole not effecting me but effecting criminals impossibility thing.

    In layman's terms, I get threatened to have my guns confiscated way too often by way too many lawmakers for me to feel comfortable allowing any sort of paper trail to follow me when I purchase them.
     
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    Nonnie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I think the difference being is that gun and knife crime all to often happens between gang members, domestic violence etc.. whereas massacres of a higher number of innocent people tend to happen where they are shopping, watching a film in a cinema, being at their place of work etc..

    So it's having this fear of being gunned down in Walmart when buying junk from China.
     
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    Thingamabob Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well yes, and although you did mention it you didn't give it the importance it requires in answering the question: The difference between the single-casualty victims who are "guilty" by association and the absolutely innocent victims of mass shootings.

    You're blaming China?
     
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    Josh77 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Oh I know, those evil AR15’s might plant evil thoughts of causing a massacre in your head!
     
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    No, there should be no such record. The point of the 2A is to keep the government in check. If the government knows exactly who is armed and knows who it needs to disarm, it kind of defeats the purpose.

    Absolutely nothing needs to be done on the gun ownership side of things. The way to fix the problem is to tackle mental health. Anything else is just a band aid.
     
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    Josh77 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I have more fear of being hit by lightning. The odds are ridiculously small to waste any time worrying about it. I am far more likely to die in a car accident, and I never lose any sleep over that either. If you are that worried about it, purchase a gun and train yourself up with it, and you can rest easy knowing you can defend yourself from an active shooter. Problem solved.
     
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    truth and justice Well-Known Member

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    Now "you" have a gun, it is more likely it will be used on "you" or "your family" than on a stranger
     
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    If you are buying an assault weapon then the "evil thoughts of causing a massacre" are already in your head.
    Sounds to me like you are living in a Fascist state if your worry is the government. But even if the government is Democratic then I can understand why they would want to disarm you.
    It isn't the mentally unhealthy who are committing the most crimes. That excuse is just a Red Herring.
     
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    I'm British so no panic over here. We have and use guns, we just don't have a gun fetish culture here.
     
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    Nonnie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Just check the lid is tight on your bottle of contact adhesive. The fumes must be escaping.
     
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    Absolutely correct. Much more likely than he will have the opportunity of using it on an"active shooting" criminal perpetrator.
     
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    Josh77 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well, that’s a dumb statement. I’ve owned guns my entire life, and amazingly nobody that lives with me have ever been injured by it. Weird huh? I don’t know where you libs get these silly statements. Probably from other silly libs.
     
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    So "you" are the representative average of the millions and millions of gun owners? And you write "dumb statement"!
     
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    Thingamabob Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Exactly. If "It's the person (not the gun) who commits mass shootings" then that is the most eye-opening reason why guns ought not be allowed in the hands of the Americans.
    That is precisely why I only purchase Soy Sauce made in Thailand.
     
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    Hahaha, yeah ok buddy. I buy a gun so I am evil. Get a grip. I bet you see boogie men in your closet too.

    We have guns to prevent the government from becoming the fascist state liberals dream of

    Law abiding mentally sound people are not killing anyone. The killers are either criminals or those that have mental illness. I’m either case, the best defense is your own gun. Why disarm good people when the bad will still be armed?
     
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    I can hardly wait for his reply!
     
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    Josh77 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes I am. The vast vast majority of gun owners are responsible law abiding people. Are you claiming they are not?
     
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    Thingamabob Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Did I say that?
    No, but from your above line, I have a suspicion that you might be hearing voices.
    :icon_picknose:And we have snow to prevent charging elephants. Funny how it is that I live in a "liberal state" yet it isn't fascist and we have no guns and no shootings. That must be terribly confusing for you.
    Have you no access to the media?
    Yes, I can see that it's a "toss-up" alright.
    Oh! Is that what you think I am advocating? It must be those voices again.
     
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    It's the person and the weapon.

    We don't panic in the UK because the unsuitable types of guns are not available.
     
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    So why not machine guns and flamethrowers?
     
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    Thingamabob Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes, I know. I am merely speaking on another level for the benefit of those who think "the person, not the gun" rhetoric constitutes profound wisdom.

    Understood.
     
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    .... and still, no reply from the "lack of guns will only encourage the use of knives" people. I've asked about the frequency of drive-by knifings but no one seems to have any statistics. Perhaps I should be more specific and ask how many jabs-per-second the new semi-automatic knives are capable of?
     
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