50% of Great Barrier Reef dead due to global warming

Awesome, I guess ... What does that have to do with the definition I provided or the question I asked?

 

It has a long way to go to ever be acidic.

 

'Acidification' does not mean 'acidic'. Try reading this again:

 

I'm implying nothing. I am stating facts.

Why do global warming alarmists describe the process as acidification ?? Answer - to create alarm.

What kind of fallacy is the above statement ??

 

obviously we need more CO2 in the atmosphere to cut down on fertilizer use

 

Acidify - to make or become acid.

A lame attempt to scare the useful idiots.

 

Actually with increased CO2 you need more nitrogen. Plants do not live on CO2 alone.

 

Not in the Torres Staight - sorry

I knew about this before it hit the news as I was talking to a native from the Torres. He said the elders were very worried as nothing they had ever witnessed matched what they were seeing and there was nothing in the songlines about an event like this.

And please to the climate deniers - do not disparage the oral tradition and history of our native people - we have found ancient meteorite sites by listening to songlines

 

No!! Plants come from supermarkets - like food does LOL!!

Plants don't need water and soil - look at air plants they don't need anything to grow!!!!! /sarcasm

 

http://www.teachoceanscience.net/te...e/how_does_climate_change_affect_coral_reefs/

Please learn some basics

And we are seeing the result of bleaching. It is visible to the naked eye. So please do not tell us it is not happening

 

I said it could be possible. Most fertilizers are acidic. And if we could put the carbon back in the soil where it belongs it would solve both problems. Ray Archuleta shows a NASA video in his presentation that shows CO2 in the western hemisphere during a one year span. The CO2 is low during January and increases substantially during April and May. Then it decreases substantually during June. The land is tilled during April and May and the plants are growing during June. The change is substantial. Please watch the video. Ray Archuleta. " it starts with the soil" I know I sound crazy but many agree with me.

 

Thanks I know

But the Torres is the area between Australia and Papua. I could accept that some of the bleaching along the coast might be caused by agricultural run off and that has been discussed here but not in the Torres as there is little run off to affect that area

It was not only the Torres and the Great Barrier Reef that have been impacted but there has been a massive die off of Mangroves in the Gulf of Carpentaria http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-07-10/unprecedented-10000-hectares-of-mangroves-die/7552968

 

So? You think is 0.2 change in temperature in the last decade globally did that? Your temperature varies much more widely on a yearly basis and is affected by things like ENSO.

 

I see you learned everything you need to know about photosynthesis at Skeptical Science.

as CO2 levels increase, photo-respiration is suppressed. That means that at double today’s levels of atmospheric CO2 the efficiencies of C3 plants as far as photosynthesis rate and water use are as good as or better than C4 plants

If you don't know the difference between C3 plants, C4 plants or the meaning of photo respiration I suggest you try a science site, not a AGW propaganda mill and you will not look so ignorant in the future

 

Reference???? You made the claim you validate it

Why should I do your homework for you?

 

50% is a far cry from the actual 22% of the reef that is bleached.

 

Try reading the article I posted earlier on coral bleaching

It would make a difference to setting up straw men

BTW If I ignore a post it is because I have decided to only bother with true debate points not attention seeking behaviour

 

Did you not read the post a while back you accused me of not reading? It explains C3 and C4 plants. Besides plants don't live on CO2 alone. I also went to school and studied biology.

 

then you should know that it increased CO2 does 2 things. It increases photosynthesis efficiency for plants using the crops using the C3 pathway and photo-respiration is suppressed causing the plant to use less water. The photosynthesis efficiency has a direct relationship on plant growth, the higher the efficiency the longer the growing season. A greenhouse plant in the winter does not grow as fast because of the shorter days unless artificial lighting is used. Increased CO2 means less light and less water needed

again try reading some real science books, not AGW propaganda sites

 

But it decreas s crop yields
https://www.nap.edu/read/1911/chapter/8#136
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/stor...l+maintenance.Apologies+for+the+inconvenience
http://www.ciesin.org/docs/iucc101/fs101.html

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Only for some and the trade off may be decreased crop yields

 

The alleged change in ocean ph is 8.2 to 8.1. The uncertainty is larger than that and ocean ph varies widly monthly regionally.

 

CO2 in the atmosphere has nothing to do with the "bleaching" of the coral reefs.

From your fact free speculative link:

The article assumes a CO2 concentration of 1000 ppm by the year 2100. Where does that come from on the scale of scenarios ??

 

You are right. It is CO2 in the water. The CO2 that used to be in the air.

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You are right. It is CO2 in the water. The CO2 that used to be in the air.

 

Don't know if that reply deserves any better reaction. But I do know you did not read my earlier link that explained the whole process

http://www.teachoceanscience.net/te...e/how_does_climate_change_affect_coral_reefs/

http://www.gbrmpa.gov.au/managing-t...hange-can-affect-the-reef/ocean-acidification

 

I read the first link and now the second. Both articles use the same bad assumptions and do not consider the buffering nature of ocean water. Also the pH of ocean water varies ~ 0.3 pH units daily. Marine animals create their exoskeleton using energy - their shells will not dissolve in ocean water of pH 7.8.

http://joannenova.com.au/2011/11/the-chemistry-of-ocean-ph-and-acidification/