500 Billion A Year For Defense?

Discussion in 'Warfare / Military' started by Dayton3, Mar 30, 2019.

  1. Questerr

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    The Constitution most definitely does mention the Navy.
     
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    Once again you break out that idiotic meaningless axiom.

    The Constitution gives Congress blanket authority to make war.
     
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    No, it doesn't. There is no general warfare power.
     
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    Show me in Article One where Congress's war powers are restricted.
     
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    There is no express power to provide for the general warfare.
     
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    Because Congress is given the blanket power to make war.

    Article 1, Section 8, Clause 11.
     
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    Our welfare clause is General; that is a blanket power to solve simple poverty.
     
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    No there isn't. The Congress can only operate within the limits of their express powers listed after Article 1, Section 8, Clause 1.
     
  9. Dayton3

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    Completely irrelevant statistic. The U.S. pays its soldiers far more than other nations and spends more on their welfare and well being both while they are in the military and afterwards than any other nation.

    Also please read the following:

    https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/a...pends-the-u-s-on-the-military-here-s-the-math
     
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    Here are the general powers:
    Can you cite a general warfare power or a common offense power.
     
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    That clause is stating the purpose for the powers listed in the clauses that follow it.

    The Founders had no problem with the concept of "common offense" when they fought Native American tribes or the Barbary Pirates.
     
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    There is no express common offense clause.
     
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    Why do you keep bringing that up? You know it doesn't matter in the least.
     
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    lol. of course it does. i am a federalist and subscribe to the federal doctrine.
     
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    Because the Founders knew what they meant when they gave Congress blanket war powers.
     
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    lol. Our welfare clause is General; that means your right wing policies cannot affect Individuals.
     
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    The concept of "welfare" meaning "social programs to solve poverty" didn't even exist when the Constitution was written.
     
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    neither did our air force.
     
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    Correct. Which is why it started out as part of the Army and is now its own army.
     
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    Our welfare clause is General not Common.
     
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    And welfare in the context of the Constitution has nothing to do with solving poverty.
     
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    it must if our welfare clause is General. it must be able to solve for any contingency.
     
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    "General Welfare" in the context of the Constitution means "Overall Welfare". Not that the government would solve every individual's problems for them.
     
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    Where ?

    There wasn't even a U.S. Navy until Congress passed the "Navy Act of 1794."
     
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    Article 1, Section 8, Clause 13.
     

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