6-3 Ruling strikes down New York Conceal Carry

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  1. Turtledude

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    John Lott and the Freakanomics guys stated that was true-they also said abortion is a reason why W beat Al Gore
     
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    Keep the fight up, but make sure every now and then you take a moment to appreciate all you have won. You're making me jealous!
     
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    This doesn't have anything to do with mass murders. It has to do with carry licenses, which is practically always about handguns.

    My point is that you won't find anyone who thinks they can murder someone and think they DA will just let him go. Everyone knows murder carries a severe penalty in every State in US, and in NY a life sentence is the most likely penalty.

    Same is true nationwide. That is likely to change in 15 yrs in many red States.
     
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    So many of these con law threads devolve into policy arguments. Like the stupid "news" shows and "The View."

    "PEOPLE WILL DIE!! PEEPUL WHO NEED PEEPUL!!!!!!"

    The Supreme Court is and should remain utterly undifferent to the consequences of a ruling interpreting the constitution. There is no need for a constitution if everything is a policy question. You don't like the 2nd Amendment? Start a movement to repeal it.

    Anyway, I would feel safer in Phadelphia if everyone carried a gun than I would if only the criminals -- read gangmembers -- had guns.
     
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    You use the internet, and you'd claim a certain protection because you believe it offers a function of free speech, no? Clearly, this wasn't a technology available in the founding our of nation. The fact that you would claim that improved technology could create the exclusionary set of facts that you could then disassociate rights from is, in my view, a ridiculous proposition. I would remind you that ball ammunition is exactly the same as a bullet in a non packaged way. But having multiple chambers of loaded ball ammunition was essentially the same concept without the innovation. Sorry but if you believe that we can restrict rights in the manner you have, why couldn't I claim that abortion must also use the same antiquated medical tech of the day? Your reasoning is ridiculous.
     
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    And yet we have multiple current examples of it today. Sorry, the only thing detached from reality seems to be you.
     
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    Not sure what you are saying; open and concealed are two different things.

    Maybe you mean the 2nd Amendment guarantees the right to carry openly and/or to conceal(?) I don't disagree but can see the other side.

    The "well regulated" part of the 2nd Amendment seems to allow for age limits, at least. I don't want 13 year olds walking around with bazookas or fully automatic weapons, and a reasonable reading of the 2nd Amendment would allow those limits, and also prohibitions on felons in possession.

    Red flags and magazine limits we can talk about.
     
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    The typically perspicacious Alito:

    "Why, for example, does the dissent think it is relevant to recount the mass shootings that have occurred in recent years? Does the dissent think that laws like New York’s prevent or deter such atrocities? Will a person bent on carrying out a mass shooting be stopped if he knows that it is illegal to carry a handgun outside the home?" Aliso wrote.

    "And how does the dissent account for the fact that one of the mass shootings near the top of its list took place in Buffalo?" he continued. "The New York law at issue in this case obviously did not stop that perpetrator. What is the relevance of statistics about the use of guns to commit suicide?"


    I really don't know, Justice Alito. Maybe our liberal forumites here have the answers.
     
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    And that's exactly why carry permits are useless at stopping gun murders.
     
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    meaning you should not need a permit to conceal carry

    and agree, I also support making ar-15's harder to buy via waiting periods and age restrictions

    "prohibitions on felons in possession."

    during the sentence, agree, after the sentence, no, all right should be restored - restrictions only happen when you're a ward of the state
     
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    What is your position on open carry? Personally I don't care too much.
     
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    I think concealed carry is the polite way to carry, I see it like ones privates, ok to have them, just don't expose them inappropriately in public

    I definitely would avoid being around anyone carrying an ar-15 in a mall, a concert, etc.... in fact, I would leave
     
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    Eeeewwww.
     
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    I don't have a problem with it, open carry should not require any permit of any kind. That said, concealed carry holders protect everyone, criminals don't know who is armed and who is not.
     
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    Yes, it will take a decade of studies to see if violent crimes are reduced as a result of the ruling. I suspect there will be as many attempted muggings and carjackings as ever, but fewer successful ones.
     
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    I’ll just leave this here for something to ponder.

    https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/loc...-in-deadly-gang-related-gunfight/2628059/?amp

     
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    We've a way to go before the ruling of the Supreme Court is incorporated into the existing laws of our states and municipalities. There will be, I suspect, a period of re-writing of laws followed by a period of court challenges to the re-written laws. Slowly, things will eventually settle down.

    Meanwhile, there is nothing in the current legal maelstrom which suggests that the annual level of deaths from gunshot in the United States of America, given as some 45,000 in 2020*, will show a significant decrease.

    We also have the spectacle of a lot of palaver about deaths by gunshot of children in schools. Data indicates that school shootings account for about 2% of US gunshot deaths of children. Meanwhile, 60% or so of children who die of gunshot are shot in their homes. There's little said about this.

    Regards, stay safe 'n well . . . 'n un-shot.

    * Ref: Gun deaths in the U.S.: 10 key questions answered | Pew Research Center
     
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