63 percent of Americans believe the country is on the wrong track

Only 28% think we are on the right track.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/w...irection-after-shutdown/ar-BBSNlVI?li=BBnb7Kz

According to the poll, only 28 percent of Americans say the nation is headed in the right direction, which is the lowest percentage on this question during Trump's presidency.

By contrast, 63 percent believe the country is on the wrong track — tied for the highest mark since Trump took office.

 

But...

MAGA!!!

 

The problem with the question of "are we on the right track" is that its too generalized. Both Democrats and Republicans can think "we're on the right track" or "we're on the wrong track" but the reasons for each saying either one will be based on entirely different reasoning's.

We're on the Right Track Example:

Republican A thinks that pushing for immigration reform, border security (to include the wall) is a good thing that needs done and as such they're going to think we're on the Right Track.

Democrat A thinks that pushing to get Trump impeached, most of the country being against Trump is a good thing that needs to be done and as such they're going to think we're on the Right Track.

We're on the Wrong Track Example:

Republican B thinks that Democrats are gaining too much power and will push for open borders, living wage for everyone etc etc and as such we're heading down the wrong track.

Democrat B thinks that there are racists coming out of the woodwork and gaining power and as such we're headed down the wrong track.

So really the poll question is pretty much worthless as it is showing a firm answer towards something even though the reasons for those answers are widely varying. Some reasons may be based on false ideology or "alternative facts" (from either direction) and as such really shouldn't be counted as those are not legitimate reasons.

 

America's economic situation is on the right track

 

Meaningless poll that seeks to sway public opinion not measure it and is negated by Trump's approval rating which remains stable as per your own link.

"Trump's approval rating remains at 43 percent"

 

the 43% commenting on Trump's outlook

 

Anyone can have an opinion but, is it informed ?

 

Based on what?

Real wages have declined since Trump took office.



Real economic growth is about what it was in 2014 without the big Trump deficit.



Unrmployment was steadily coming down and Trump only continued a ten year trend.



The deficit was going down and now it's going up.



BTW, more jobs were added in 2014 than for 2018.

 

In one poll, but a more comprehensive look has him down.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.html

 

That is what your handlers would want you to think.

 

Similar to Obama's numbers. Americans are simply fed up with the federal government.

 

The missing 37% must be deaf,dumb and blind.

 

Uninvolved.

 

ONLY 63% ?????

 

Not sure what poll. Who did the Poll, but don't believe the results.IMO

 

It varies.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/direction_of_country-902.html

Is it any wonder when the lying MSM gives him >90% negative coverage? During Obama you'd get these rosy news reports about some positive index on the economy. It didn't take long for me to realize that these reports were always followed by bad economic news in the next week or two. How often do they report any good news about the Trump economy? Yeah, I know, you'll claim there is no good news.

Holy mackerel, even CNN gives him some credit.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/27/politics/donald-trump-economy-trade-gdp-growth-credit/index.html

I bet they never televised this report.

 

Looks to me like a roller coaster. Down, then up, then down, then up (note that the graph does show an upward trend at the last there). So, what policy/s has Trump enacted that affected real wages? Can you point to it?

So you can't complain that he's doing a horrible job then .

So he's continued the trend instead of messing it up. Which many thought he would mess it up. Swore up and down he would mess it up in fact. Guess they were wrong.

According to your graph there it started to really go up in 2012, peaked in the beginning of 2016, and started to come back down. Correct me if I'm wrong...but wasn't Obama in charge between 2012 and 2016? So what your graph shows is that the deficit has been coming down since Trump has been in office.

Only stands to reason. :shrug: Its much harder to get more raw employment numbers (which is what you describe there) when there is a low unemployment rate (which is what Trump has) than a higher unemployment rate (which is what Obama had in 2014).

 

You're right, but the same could be said of many polls of public opinion. Most one-question polls need to be expanded upon by more specific questions. Depending upon budgets, I guess that is not always an option.

 

The thing is that MSN KNOWS this same thing. The only reason to push such one poll questions that are so generalized is to sway public opinion. In this case MSN is trying to link the shutdown and Trump to the negative appearance of "being on the wrong track". Even though the country "being on the wrong track" could be for any number of reasons that are absolutely unrelated to the Shutdown, or even Trump. This is what people refer to when they say "fake news". It isn't necessarily lies that are being told, its how words are being used, how statistics are being used, how things are framed and shown (such as the very first picture in the OP's MSN link showing a "grumpy" Trump)....all to frame the overall picture into something that leads a reader into believing something even if when things are looked at much closer is actually something very different.

 

More manipulation of perceptions than fake news?

 

On the MSM news there's nothing but whining, moping, bellyaching, and woe is me because Trump won the election all the time. It's very rare to see a happy person.

If you got a telescanner and pay any attention to it, and believe it, you couldn't possible believe the country is on the right track.

 

The thing about the English language is that you can say the same thing in multiple ways.

For example: If I say that "I was in a forum chatting up a complete stranger about sex" (made it as generalized as that poll intentionally) what is going to be someone's first thought?

 

I completely agree with your first sentence, and the same thing can be done in other languages I'm sure.

With your second sentence, I'm lost. Which is to say I have no idea what a generic "person" might think.

 

Don't know about other languages. I know a bit of Spanish, Gaelic and one word of Korean but not enough to judge other languages on this.

Most people that saw my sentence would probably think "porn" as their first thought. Anyways, that was a bad example anyways after further thought. I should have phrased it as the title of an article not a sentence. Let's try this instead:

Title of Article: "Kal'Stang talks about sex!"

One paragraph article under that title: It was reported that Kal'Stang was talking sex by a source that wishes to remain anonymous saying "I was really uncomfortable talking with Kal'Stang about sex". Upon further research by our independent reporters Kal'Stang did indeed talk about sex.

What do you think? How would you view this as?

 

@LangleyMan: "Real wages have declined since Trump took office."

Trump hasn't anything significant to change the long-term stagnation in real wages. We'd have to increase public and private spending on R&D, infrastructure, and education. In general, we need to invest in producing assets, not big homes and SUVs.

@LangleyMan: "Real economic growth is about what it was in 2014 without the big Trump deficit."

Like Obama, he doesn't have the gonads to "take the candy away from the baby." Who's going to tell voters they can't have their monster homes, hog vehicles, and personal tax cuts to buy more Chinese goods.

@LangleyMan: "The deficit was going down and now it's going up."

I think you're reading the graph upside down.