70% of fully vaccinated prisoners caught COVID-19 in a Texas Delta outbreak, the CDC says - but vacc

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  1. independentthinker

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    I suspect that the actual figure is even higher than that. I'm saying that for those vaccinated, if they are exposed to the virus enough, close to 100% will come down with Delta. And don't give me any backdated stats that would include the older original variants. Delta is the predominant strain in the US at over 90%. And, it is obvious that the vaccinated spread the virus. To deny that is just plain science denial.


    https://www.yahoo.com/news/70-fully-vaccinated-prisoners-caught-120458867.html
     
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    The masks don't work and the shots don't work.

    So many people still don't realize they've been duped, a pity, but not really a surprise.

    Crunch the VAERS numbers properly, and it turns out that since they were introduced, the clot shots have killed about 70 americans a day. The eugenics agenda is being advanced.
     
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    Yes, but not as much as the unvaccinated and with less severe symptoms if they do, as your own chosen link said.
    There are clearly serious questions about what (if any!) COVID prevention measures were taken in the prison, given their infection rates are so much higher than the general population for vaccinated and unvaccinated alike (though testing rate could be a factor there) but regardless, this data still clearly suggests that vaccination reduces both infection rate and symptom severity.

    Incidentally, your chosen headline, which you didn't take from the article, is an outright lie and should be corrected.
     
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    The vaccinated, if exposed, spread the Delta variant just as much as the unvaccinated who are exposed to the Delta variant. Why is it not ok for the unvaccinated to spread the virus but it is ok for the vaccinated to spread the virus? Another study showed the rate to be 74%. Guess I should have changed the title of the thread to 74% to be more accurate.

    https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7031e2.htm
     
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    Stop the stupid before Delta stops it for you. Independentthinker, who seems to be rather incapable of doing what his name suggests, excluded the full headline of this article for some reason. It reads:

    70% of fully vaccinated prisoners caught COVID-19 in a Texas Delta outbreak, the CDC says - but vaccines protected against severe disease

    What is it with you? Are you trying to be deceptive?
     
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    Get vaccinated yourself and it likely won't matter if someone spreads it to you. But masks and social distancing are the best way to avoid viral spread. Vaccines are the best way to avoid life-threatening infections.
     
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    Potentially, though none of this data specifically demonstrates that, since it's pretty much impossible to establish the source of an infection in most cases. That is why it is important for everyone to continue to practice other infection prevention measures though, as I said and as both these studies conclude.

    That is distinct from the efficacy of the vaccines in reducing the risk of infection and reducing the severity of symptoms and so vaccination is still beneficial, to individuals and the wider society.

    Nobody said it is OK for anyone to spread the virus. Where did you get that idea from?

    It would still be wrong. Your title implies that 70% of all vaccinated people get infected by the Delta variant. The data in your OP was about a subset of vaccinated people (prisoners in a specific prison) and your latest example refers to the percentage of all infected people who were vaccinated, which is an entirely different statistic.

    Accuracy (and honesty) in reporting statistics is vitally important but unfortunately, it often doesn't happen, especially with data fed though the lens of the media and/or random lay citizens. If you're not used to working with statistics, you should take great care when presenting them, especially when you think they're saying what you want them to say. :cool:
     
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    lol. It is the left who try to be deceptive. They continually blame the unvaccinated for everything as the vaccinated spread the virus. Why is it not ok for the unvaccinated to spread the virus but it IS ok for the vaccinated to spread the virus? Also, the vaccines have killed over 7600 people in the US alone but the left refuse to acknowledge this.
     
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    The left are perfectly fine with 80,000 vaccinated people attending sporting events, spreading the virus and being a superspreader event. Why is that? Yes, the left do say it is ok for the vaccinated people to spread the virus because they allow the vaccinated, who spread the virus, to congregate and spread the virus.
     
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    Who ever said it's "OK" for anyone to spread the virus? Who put this ridiculous idea in your head?

    And however many people have died from vaccines, it is insignificant next to the number of deaths from the virus among the unvaccinated.
     
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    Vaccine passports. Vaccine mandates. It allows the vaccinated to go to work and go to countless other places where they spread the virus to others, both the vaccinated and unvaccinated children under 12. They allow 80,000 fully vaccinated people into a football stadium to spread the virus and be a superspreader event. The left say it is ok for the vaccinated to spread the virus, at work and everywhere else where vaccine passports and mandates are. It is giving these people the permission to spread the virus.
     
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    I don't play the left/right hate games. If you want to have a serious discussion, feel free to try again.
     
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    Oh it would be. According to the CDC the data for those vaccinated who got covid is voluntary. And under reported as the likelihood that those vaccinated merely experienced mild or asymptomatic symptoms is very high. So ya...
     
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    The left are perfectly fine with 80,000 vaccinated people attending sporting events, spreading the virus and being a superspreader event. Why is that? Yes, the left do say it is ok for the vaccinated people to spread the virus because they allow the vaccinated, who spread the virus, to congregate and spread the virus.
     
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    Cool beans. Catching it is fine if it doesn't make you sick, which is the goal of the vaccine. It only makes your immune system stronger. This is why some European nations with 75% vaccination rates have removed any and all Covid related restrictions in the society.

    Aren't you happy people are returning to normal lives? You can't enjoy it because you are stuck with "THE LEFT" thing, even though all sports events are allowing full attendance, even the ones in red states.
     
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    Deceptive is what the mainstream media does best. Deceptive is what Fauci has been doing for 18 months.

    I've figured that out. Why haven't you?
     

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