80% of pandemic victims placed on ventilators die - mass euthanasia for the elderly the infirm and t

It makes pneumonia, lung cancers, COPD and other such ailments infinitely more dangerous and deadly. Interestingly enough smoking seems to be a preventative for some reason according to some researchers.

 

Exactly. Things tht we are SURVIVING...now are killing us when this horror hits.

STAY THE **** HOME

 

so if you need one, would you turn it down... not getting one when you need one is certain death

yes, before you need one, other methods should be tried first - patients should always be given all the options

 

Mostly things that are killing us now kill us even quicker in combination with covid. And I can't stay home I'm the errand runner/grocery buyer. I wear the mask my wife made me, she's made close to a hundred for various friends and family. Including my nephew's wife who works at a VA hospital.

 

There are alternatives that seem to be more effective with less risk involving high flow oxygen. Pronation can give patients more time to recover. The earlier they get them on some kind of hydroxychloroquine + Zpac the better. The ventilators almost always kill, and after 3 weeks the recovery will involve serious lung damage.

ID sspcialists need to start using volunteers to gather data on several of the new approaches ASAP including the AYTU UV-A pulse device and Pulmitec's research into role of HO2O in the lungs.
BTW, did you look into NAC which seems to reduce the creation of the mucous plugs that lead to pneumonia.

"Hydrogen peroxide-induced increase in lung endothelial and epithelial permeability--effect of adenylate cyclase stimulation and phosphodiesterase inhibition.
Seeger W1, Hansen T, Rössig R, Schmehl T, Schütte H, Krämer HJ, Walmrath D, Weissmann N, Grimminger F, Suttorp N. Microvasc Res. 1995 Jul;50(1):1-17.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7476570

 

You should rephrase that reply without the personal ad hominem.
Google hydroxychloroquine studies first.

 

It seldom takes more than three weeks for ventilators to kill the victims of this pandemic, and the 20% that survive the "treatment" have very damaged lungs.

 

Yea...something that MAY kill you...in 20 years...can kill you next WEEK if we open the economy before we reduce infection rates

But hey...no problem...right?

They were gonna die anyway...

 

This thing is so bad that the gasping for breath is triggering inflammation in the lungs in and of itself

 

Correct me if I am interpreting your posts wrongly but are you suggesting that all the medical profession have suddenly turned in Frankenstein’s monster and are putting people on ventilators just so they can watch them die?

 

They have been finding that patients are damaging their OWN lungs by trying so hard to breathe.

 

The medical professionals made medical decisions that were not based on evidence. Now they know many of those decisions were very wrong.

"The problem right now is there's no evidence for anything. We have to rely on poor-quality evidence to make decisions," Pour said. "We're probably all doing things we find out later are wrong. And that's incredibly humbling."
BUSINESS INSIDER, Coronavirus patients are dying on ventilators. It's leading to a debate over the best way to get oxygen into their damaged lungs., By Lydia Ramsey Apr 10, 2020.
https://www.businessinsider.com/ventilator-high-flow-oxygen-coronavirus-patients-ards-dying-2020-4

Far more humility and evidence based practice is in order "right now".

 

I made the mistake of reading that news story and NEVER in my entire life have the words “don’t confuse good science with bad journalism” been more appropriate

Holy .......... where do I START?

It is inevitable that with any new infection like this that we learn as we go along. We do the best we can and revise and re-evaluate continuously

A LOT of that article was based on the Gattinoni papers
https://ccforum.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s13054-020-02880-z

Unfortunately the author had never even visited an ICU so did not have the background knowledge to interpret the science correctly

 

The long use of ventilators is damaging the lungs.

"Ideally, the sooner patients are off the ventilator, the better they'll do, Martin said.

With COVID-19, doctors are also seeing blood clots occurring in the lungs and bodies of patients on ventilators, and doctors have said that their kidneys have started shutting down."
BUSINESS INSIDER, Coronavirus patients are dying on ventilators. It's leading to a debate over the best way to get oxygen into their damaged lungs., By Lydia Ramsey Apr 10, 2020.
https://www.businessinsider.com/ventilator-high-flow-oxygen-coronavirus-patients-ards-dying-2020-4

 

What do you do when the patient is not getting enough oxygen?
They are switching to only oxygen but that is a less efficient means of helping the patients. This thing is a mother f er

 

They were dying to begin with or they wouldn't have been placed on respirators in the first place. Remember this stuff is brand new. We are learning as we go, and the learning curve is damn steep and the gradient, unfortunately, measured in dead bodies. It's respiratory so you start out with what's worked before. When that fails and as I said, you don't get put on a respiratory unless you're in pretty bad shale already, it's going to take a while to figure out that the respirator is a problem, not a solution.
No one is trying to kill people except some leftist nitwits who appear to want everyone to stay home and starve to death to a kid covid.

 

Actually no, things that would likely kill you in a couple of months do it in about five days. There are as I've pointed out to you before only three reasons why deaths from most other respiratory ailments have dropped like a stone in the first quarter. Either covid-19 mainly, like 75% of the time kills people who are already dying from other respiratory ailments, Democrat controlled states are lying about the lethality of covid by including deaths from all other respiratory illnesses in the covid tally or both if the above.

 

yeah, I will pass on the hydroxychloroquine....

 

By your logic...it's not murder if you kill a fat person, an old person, Someone who has a heart condition


Because..they're gonna die anyway


Right?

 

Damn are you really that dense? Again most of the people were already dying and in the hospital. Locking down the entire country because the dying are dying a bit faster does far more harm than good and is killing a lot if people who might other wise have lived. How many cancers are not getting treated because of covid paranoia? How many surgeries have been put off indefinitely for thing like gall bladders? How many people have to die of things other than covid before you figure out we need to open things back up ASAP.

 

Why?

 

Many patients with mild symptoms are placed on ventilators when they present at the hospitals. But for the positive test they would have stayed home and recovered. The mortality rate for this pandemic is very low.

 

No one is putting you on a ventilator if you aren't having trouble breathing.

 

People function with "trouble breathing" for years without hospitalization. All of the people testing positive for antibodies now recovered without hospitalization.

"After 14 days on a ventilator, COVID-19 patient Robert Sidberry took his health into his own hands and ripped the plastic tube out of his mouth, setting off all kinds of alarms and bells.

Turned out, doctors found he could breathe sufficiently without the device and, after another week of recovery, he went home.

But COVID-19 leveled such a beating on his lungs and body that the 55-year-old said he came home April 15 and spent several days in bed hooked to an oxygen machine. He couldn’t walk, not for more than a few steps, he said.

He started the recommended physical rehabilitation, some arm twirls, but they left him so weak he needed the oxygen again."
NEWSDAY EXCLUSIVE, Recovery from COVID-19 is a battle all its own, former hospital patients say, By Craig Schneider, By April 30, 2020.
https://www.newsday.com/news/health/coronavirus/ventilator-rehabilitation-at-home-care-1.44282644

 

The "thing is so bad" that only 1 to 5 in a thousand die from it, and almost all of those infected have recovered at home before they were even diagnosed.