80% of pandemic victims placed on ventilators die - mass euthanasia for the elderly the infirm and t

Its all about politics for Trump's enraged politicians. Perceived political expediency.

 

I'm old, mid-seventies. Everything I do is a strategy to reduce risk. I don't think young people should have to throw away their lives for me.

 

Economic destruction has always been associated with mass death.
There is a certain kind of left wing thinking that embraces nihilism as a political strategy.
Fortunately for Trump and the ordinary Americans who support him the nihilist wing of our corrupt ruling political class is a tiny faction. Knee jerk medical practice is being rejected by doctors treating the victims of the Wuhan Coronavirus.

"We started treating this as a knee-jerk intubation-ventilation process because that's what we've done with people who have such profoundly low oxygen levels," Dr. Trevor Pour, an emergency-medicine physician at Mount Sinai Health System, told Business Insider. Now, he said, COVID-19 patients seem to be doing well on less oxygen."
BUSINESS INSIDER, Coronavirus patients are dying on ventilators. It's leading to a debate over the best way to get oxygen into their damaged lungs., By Lydia Ramsey Apr 10, 2020.
https://www.businessinsider.com/ventilator-high-flow-oxygen-coronavirus-patients-ards-dying-2020-4

 

The elderly and others at high risk during this pandemic should have been given anti-body tests weeks ago.
Those who have not already survived infection should do what they can to avoid being infected and spreading the virus. IMO, they have been doing the right thing. There is really no excuse for the failure to test them.

 

Evidence based practice saves patients' lives.
Evidence free practice has been killing them.

"It's an "evidence-free environment," Dr. Greg Martin, a professor of pulmonary critical care at Emory University and president-elect of the Society of Critical Care Medicine, told Business Insider. "That's the real challenge."
BUSINESS INSIDER, Coronavirus patients are dying on ventilators. It's leading to a debate over the best way to get oxygen into their damaged lungs., By Lydia Ramsey Apr 10, 2020.
https://www.businessinsider.com/ventilator-high-flow-oxygen-coronavirus-patients-ards-dying-2020-4

""Die alone, you old MFers" is you are anyone infected with the CCP/DP Wuhan Coronavirus placed on a ventilator for weeks until they finally die. Heaven help anyone who welcomes that kind of treatment - doctors who do that to patients will certainly not be any help for them.

 

Out of curiosity, why do you suppose that they lump 20 to 44 year olds ( a 24 year spread) in the same group, and every other segment is divided in 10 year increments?

Personally, that does not seem logical, and thus there MUST be another reason. I sincerely do not recall seeing such an age grouping in any other context.

 

And it tells you how bogus the VA study for hydroxychloroquine was, since they were attempting to use that drug on patients already on ventilators. And because those patients dieddied, the VA study says hydroxychloroquine didn't work.

But even with that fact being known CNN, MSNBC, et al, the usual culprits all ran with the story blasting hydroxychloroquine as being a failure. It's all political, because President Trump was promoting the use of hydroxychloroquine stating that he had high hopes for and I hate Trump news media turned against a drug for no other reason than they hate Trump. T

They knew the facts, they chose not to tell their readers, or their audience, that the VA were trying to use hydroxychloroquine on patience using ventilators, when they already knew 80% of those patients were dying on ventilators

 

if you read further into if you read further into the article it does say doctors reported that other respiratory diseases probably like pneumonia the death rate is only 40 or 50%. For whatever reason covid-19 the death rate is 80%. This is what is puzzling to the doctors and yet they're still putting people on ventilators. I guess they look at it as the person's going to die anyway 100% chance so let's put him on a ventilator and he has a 20% chance of living

Experts have said that some 40% to 50% of patients with severe respiratory issues die while on ventilators, the AP reported.

New York City officials have said at least 80% of coronavirus patients who were put on ventilators there ultimately died, the AP reported. New York state has the most confirmed coronavirus cases and deaths in the US.

There have also been reports of unusually high death rates among patients on ventilators elsewhere in the US and in China and the UK, the AP said.

 

Early indications are the virus “coats” the walls of your lungs essentially suffocating it’s victims. A cruel demise.

The virus is also scars the lungs of those recovered obviously reducing the efficiency of their lungs permanently.

Also the loss of oxygen is going to create issues for other organs notably the brain.

This episode is going to be with us long after we develop a vaccine.

Currently treatment is “by ear” and will evolve.

 

Correct. Fake Science + Fake News + MSM = The Merchants of Death.

 

The failure of our medical professionals to follow evidence based procedures is frightening.
When patients are put on fentanyl and ventilators they are effectively out of sight and out of mind until they die. No call buttons, no cries for help - they are easy for a stressed healthcare system to ignore.

Occasionally, a neglected patient may not be drugged enough to stay unconscious and passive until they die.

"After 14 days on a ventilator, COVID-19 patient Robert Sidberry took his health into his own hands and ripped the plastic tube out of his mouth, setting off all kinds of alarms and bells.

Turned out, doctors found he could breathe sufficiently without the device and, after another week of recovery, he went home."
NEWSDAY EXCLUSIVE, Recovery from COVID-19 is a battle all its own, former hospital patients say, By Craig Schneider, By April 30, 2020.
https://www.newsday.com/news/health/coronavirus/ventilator-rehabilitation-at-home-care-1.44282644

A rare act of self defense against the Wuhan Plague and medical neglect.

 

Ventilators alone can damage the lungs and other organs. The longer patients are on ventilators the greater the risk to their long term health.

"Many who go on a ventilator die, and those who survive likely will face ongoing breathing problems caused by either the machine or the damage done by the virus. The problem is that the longer people are on ventilation, the more likely they are to suffer complications related to machine-assisted breathing.

Recognizing this, some intensive care units have started to delay putting a COVID-19 patient on a ventilator to the last possible moment, when it is truly a life-or-death decision, said Dr. Udit Chaddha, an interventional pulmonologist with Mount Sinai Hospital in New York City."
U.S. NEWS & WORLD REPORT, HEALTH NEWS, Are Ventilators Helping or Harming COVID-19 Patients?, Mechanical ventilators mark a crisis point in a patient's COVID-19 course, and questions are now being raised as to whether the machines can cause harm., By Dennis Thompson, HealthDay Reporter, April 15, 2020.
https://www.usnews.com/news/health-...tilators-helping-or-harming-covid-19-patients

 

A tsunami of political Fake News has been released to spread CCP/DP disinformation about the Wuhan Plague.
Corrections are rare, late and ineffective.

"WASHINGTON (AP) — Democratic presidential contenders are describing the federal infectious-disease bureaucracy as rudderless and ill-prepared for the coronavirus threat because of budget cuts and ham-handed leadership by President Donald Trump. That’s a distorted picture. For starters, Trump hasn’t succeeded in cutting the budget."

"He's proposed cuts but Congress ignored him and increased financing instead. The National Institutes of Health and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention aren't suffering from budget cuts that never took effect."

AP NEWS, AP FACT CHECK: Democrats distort coronavirus readiness, By LAURAN NEERGAARD and CALVIN WOODWARD, 2/27/20.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/fact...ats-distort-coronavirus-readiness/ar-BB10rffI

 

CDC provisional COVID death count: 37,308

Number of deaths in people 65 or older: 29,655

That's about 80% of deaths.

LINK: https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisional-COVID-19-Death-Counts-by-Sex-Age-and-S/9bhg-hcku

Data from Italy: Median patient age was 63, and 1,304 (82%) were male. A total of 363 patients (23%) were 71 years and older, while 203 (13%) were younger than 51. Of the 1,043 patients with available data, 709 (68%) had at least one underlying illness, including 509 (49%) with high blood pressure, 223 (21%) with cardiovascular disease, 188 (18%) with high cholesterol, and 42 (4%) with chronic obstructive pulmonary disease.

High blood pressure was 23 percentage points more prevalent in patients who died (63%, 195 of 309 patients) than in those released from the ICU (40%, 84 of 212). All patients older than 80 had at least one underlying illness, as did 496 of 650 patients older than 60 (76%).

LINK: https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-per...y-asia-share-covid-19-icu-experience-warnings

Seriously, how are you not aware of this? It's been weeks since this virus came on to the scene and you're still not apprised of basic facts?

This virus is not a serious threat to 99% of the population.

Destroying the lives of millions of healthy, young people in order to provide the illusion of safety for the oldest and sickest members of the population is ghoulish. It's the exact opposite of compassionate.

 

Who said: "Never let a crisis go to waste."?

The CCP/DP obviously worked together to first spread the Wuhan Plague and are now working hard to prolong it and intensify its impact. That is why this non-cure is far worse than the actual disease.

"When people lose 75% or more of their wealth, they are 50% more likely to die early than people whose wealth remains steady, according to new research."

"Over a 20-year follow-up period, 25% of people experienced a negative wealth shock; those men and women were at a much higher risk for death from all causes."

TIME, HEALTH PUBLIC HEALTH, A Sudden Loss of Wealth Increases Your Chances of Death, BY ALEXANDRA SIFFERLIN, APRIL 3, 2018.
https://time.com/5225387/wealth-loss-early-death/

 

I already watched my grandmother die after lying in bed for a year, soiling herself, and slowly losing her mind. She told us on several occasions that she wanted to die. These are the kind of people who are dying from COVID. It is sad, but it's hardly a tragedy.

What? That's YOU. You're the one insisting they be socially isolated, possibly for years.

Assuming they even have that long. It's just as likely that they'll die tomorrow or the next week or the next month, alone, miserable, and wondering why nobody will visit them anymore. Must be hellish. That is the torture you're inflicting on them with your misplaced sense of compassion.

Trivializing the basic freedoms, dignity, and financial security of millions of working and middle class Americans.

That is who you are now.

Embrace it.

 

A treatment that lets 80% of patients die is not a cure. It is far worse than the disease it pretends to treat.

"In the largest study of its kind on mortality patterns in Europe and the United States, a Yale researcher has found a direct correlation between unemployment and mortality."

YALE, Rising unemployment causes higher death rates, Yale researcher shows, By Karen N. Peart, May 23, 2002.
https://news.yale.edu/2002/05/23/ri...r-death-rates-new-study-yale-researcher-shows

 

Its the coronavirus killing them buddy, not the ventilators. Without the ventilators the death rate would be 100%.

 

Nonsense, even the doctors who are responsible using a "treatment" results in 80% of the patients dead and the rare survivors seriously injured by the "treatment" are now admitting their errors.

"When are oxygen saturation levels too low?
Pour said coronavirus patients had an unusual response to the low levels of oxygen in their blood. He said he'd left patients in the ER who had oxygen levels in the 80s who were breathing fine — but typically they'd be "hungry for breath" or breathing heavily to try to get their oxygen levels back up to 100%."

"The problem is we're not used to seeing this volume of patients with ARDS that are profoundly hypoxic and yet aren't looking sick," Pour said. "It's confusing to us."

"That might give staff in the ER more time to talk with patients about what going on a ventilator could mean before intubating them.

The debate about oxygen saturation levels in the blood existed before COVID-19, Levy said. It's unclear what the best oxygenation level is with ARDS and whether or not you need high oxygen saturation.

The anecdotal reports of patients doing fine even with low oxygen saturation are confusing ICU experts too."

"It's hard to pick that apart and understand why that is," Martin said. Often it'll happen in people with chronic lung diseases whose bodies have adapted to not having 100% oxygen all the time. But it's unclear whether that's the case with COVID-19 patients."
BUSINESS INSIDER, Coronavirus patients are dying on ventilators. It's leading to a debate over the best way to get oxygen into their damaged lungs., By Lydia Ramsey Apr 10, 2020.
https://www.businessinsider.com/ventilator-high-flow-oxygen-coronavirus-patients-ards-dying-2020-4

"Confusion" is not an excuse for doctors to abandon evidence based practice.

 

That is scary.

 

In fact have been putting people who "who do not appear sick" on ventilators. Doctors are stopping that practice because they noticed that 80% of Wuhan Plague patients die after they are ventilators.
Anyone who consents to being intubated while they can still breath on their own with little extra effort needs to think again. Read more of the data shared on this thread.

"After 14 days on a ventilator, COVID-19 patient Robert Sidberry took his health into his own hands and ripped the plastic tube out of his mouth, setting off all kinds of alarms and bells.

Turned out, doctors found he could breathe sufficiently without the device and, after another week of recovery, he went home.
NEWSDAY EXCLUSIVE, Recovery from COVID-19 is a battle all its own, former hospital patients say, By Craig Schneider, By April 30, 2020.
https://www.newsday.com/news/health/coronavirus/ventilator-rehabilitation-at-home-care-1.44282644

 

Yes, for a Wuhan Plague victim ventilators are rather like The Hotel California - once you check in you can never leave alive in one piece.

"It turns out ventilators appear to be killing coronavirus patients en masse.

AP: “Some doctors moving away from ventilators for virus patients”
Dr. Cameron Kyle-Sidell, an ER and critical care doctor from New York City, concluded that ventilators were doing more harm than good over a week ago and suggested oxygen as a superior treatment.
The Italians have reportedly come to a similar conclusion.
British Prime Minister Boris Johnson, who many speculated may have to be put on a ventilator, was in fact given oxygen. His condition is reportedly improving.
The US has ordered tons of ventilators, which can cost anywhere from $30,000 to $60,000.
Meanwhile, many of the ones we have are not even being used"
AP: “Some doctors moving away from ventilators for virus patients” By Alex Berenson,
https://www.eutimes.net/2020/04/new-data-suggests-its-ventilators-that-are-killing-people/