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  1. Traditionalist

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    A few weeks ago my husband was telling me about a female in his unit. She was sharing why she was getting out. She was always the type that made it known she wanted to make a career out of the military, so when she expressed she wasn't re-enlisting he was confused. She shared she was raped by a contractor while deployed(recently) and the AF swept it under the rug. I know this gal too, and she's not the type to make things up, and NO she isn't pregnant. I know this will turn into a'' women cry rape all the time to get out of things'', but for the sake of this thread, lets keep it confined to the ones who are telling the truth. We can make a seperate thread for liars. Anyway this recent article hit home.

    I've heard war changes you, but is it possible you loose your mind to the point of sinking to the lowest common denom?

     
  2. Really People?

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    I don't think they can sue the military...

    Not saying it's OK, I just don't think they're allowed to sue the military...
     
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    Any current or former service member can't sue the U.S. Govt. for injuries he or she has suffered except under limited circumstances.
    The "Feres Doctrine," was established by a 1950 U.S. Supreme Court case, Feres v. United States.

    The only remedy these folks have is through the military justice system, not civil.
     
  4. Up On the Governor

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    Oh, yet another thread about sexual harassment and assault in the military. Sounds like women hunting for a lawsuit and reparations.
     
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    In my time in the service so far, I have found a good remedy for these problems is not being a lush and/or stupid.
     
  6. Mushroom

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    The funny thing whenever I read things like this is that there are a lot of questions left unanswered.

    The military has a very strict policy against Sexual Harassment. And when such charges are brought, I fail to see how "the command" could have anything to do with it.

    When you report a rape, just like in the civilian world, it goes to the MPs and then to CID. These are units that are not answerable to the command in any way, shape or form. No more then in any other law enforcement organization.

    Now once the investigations are complete, the report is then passed off to JAG, who decides if there is enough evidence for prosecution.

    Once agian, totally outside the affects of the command.

    Now if these women made the reports to the command, what were they thinking? If you were raped at work, would you tell your boss, or report it to the police?

    If you tell your boss, then you have no right to get upset because nothing happens. Your boss is not a cop, he is not a DA or judge either. He has no real authority to do anything to the scumbag.

    Of course, also in the military you have 2 forms of reporting such crimes. One is confidential. In this, the report is confidential. The name of the assailent is not turned over to the command, law enforcement, or anybody else. The other is a full reporting, where the incident is supposed to be turned over to law enforcement.

    But in any event, just reporting the incident to the command pretty much does no good at all. It is not their job to investigate and prosecute the incident. I do not understand why these victims did not just follow the proper procedure and go to the military law enforcement in the first place.
     
  7. The Third Man

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    Rape is rife in the US military.


    Rape in the US military: America's dirty little secret

    A female soldier in Iraq is more likely to be attacked by a fellow soldier than killed by enemy fire


    Rape within the US military has become so widespread that it is estimated that a female soldier in Iraq is more likely to be attacked by a fellow soldier than killed by enemy fire. So great is the issue that a group of veterans are suing the Pentagon to force reform. The lawsuit, which includes three men and 25 women (the suit initially involved 17 plaintiffs but grew to 28 ) who claim to have been subjected to sexual assaults while serving in the armed forces, blames former defence secretaries Donald Rumsfeld and Robert Gates for a culture of punishment against the women and men who report sex crimes and a failure to prosecute the offenders.
    Military rape: Military rape

    Since the lawsuit became public in February, 400 more have come forward, contacting attorney Susan Burke who is leading the case.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2011/dec/09/rape-us-military
     
  8. Really People?

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    Bull(*)(*)(*)(*)...

    Rape is not "rife" in the military...

    Also, did you consider the fact that women don't serve frontline combat roles?

    So, they're not all that likely to be killed by enemy fire anyway...

    *facepalm*

    Also, the lawsuit mentioned in your post will tank, since neither current or former service members can sue the government...
     
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    Unfortunately, this mind-set is consistent with the Pentagon's very poor record of prosecuting sexual assault and rape within the ranks while at the same time disregarding and further victimizing those who report these heinous crimes. To put these cases in perspective, there were 2,947 reports of sexual assaults in the military in 2006, an increase in reports of 24% over 2005. However, very few of these cases tend to be prosecuted. A Pentagon report [PDF] in March 2007 found that more than half of the investigations dating back to 2004 resulted in no action. When action was taken, only one third of the cases resulted in courts-martial.

    Indeed, in many cases, the military seems more intent on intimidating and harassing the victims than investigating and prosecuting the charges. In 2004, after Lt. Jennifer Dyer reported being raped by a fellow officer at Camp Shelby, Miss., she said she was held in seclusion for three days, read her Miranda rights and threatened with criminal prosecution for filing a false report. After finally being given two weeks leave, she was threatened with prosecution for being AWOL when she would not report for duty to the same location where the man she had accused — who was later acquitted on assault charges — was still posted.

    http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oew-marshall30jan30,0,510658.story
     
  10. Really People?

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    What mindset?

    The mindset that rape is not rampant in the military?

    That's because it's not...

    I can assure you that rape is not, by any means, rampant in the military, esp. when compared to civilian stats...

    http://criminal.laws.com/rape-statistics

    http://militaryrapecrisiscenter.org/

    That's just from a quick search...

    And even if you take into account that not all sexual assaults are reported, it's still not even close...
     
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    PARK CITY, Utah (AP) — The Department of Defense estimates that more than 19,000 military men and women were sexually assaulted by fellow troops in 2010 while serving in the United States armed forces.

    Through interviews with rape survivors and military officials, "The Invisible War" suggests that it's not just the violence and harassment that traumatizes victims but the absence of impartial justice and personal retaliation they often experience after reporting the incident.

    "If they investigate it, and the investigator comes back and says, 'I've got a slam-dunk case. I can put this serial perpetrator behind bars,' the commander can, on his or her own, decide, 'No, we're not going to send this case to court martial,'" Dick said.

    A 2009 study shows that only 8 percent of military sex offenders are prosecuted.


    http://news.yahoo.com/sundance-documentary-examines-rape-us-military-101519990.html
     
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Armed_Forces#Personnel_in_each_service

    I'm not good with percentages, so, maybe, someone can help me out here, but 19,000 out of 2,278,895 people doesn't exactly sound rampant...

    I think that's like .008%...
     
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    Rape rampant in US military

    http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2010/12/2010122182546344551.html

    Military RAPE: One in three women, one in four men

    http://catholic.org/national/national_story.php?id=43361
     
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    Only 200,000 of those are women on active duty. Get your calculator out. I am just posting up the news. I am not too bothered if you believe it or not.
     
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    This has been covered here in the past. I wish people would search these threads before making up a new one talking about the same garbage over and over and over again.

    To begin with, "Sexual Assault" is not rape. Here, let me give you the military definition of "Sexual Assault":

    Sexual assault includes rape, nonconsensual sodomy (oral or anal sex), indecent assault (e.g., unwanted and inappropriate sexual contact or fondling), or attempts to commits these acts.

    http://www.sexualassault.army.mil/content/faqs.cfm

    Now that is the definition the military uses to define if something is a "Sexual Assault" or not. Under these requirement a sexual assault may be a rape. It may also be somebody touching another on the butt, or even attempting to touch somebody on the butt.

    But that does not mean it is rape. And what should the command do in one of the lesser infractions? If I am horsing around with a bunch of other soldiers, and I patt the butt of somebody (which we do all the time), should I be prosecuted and thrown in jail? And also notice that it only reports how many were done, not nessicarily who the perpetrators were.

    You have to realize that you are reading a civilian report which is useing the military definition entirely out of context. They call it "sexual assault", and use the military numbers. But they do not give the definition the military uses when reporting these numbers.

    Also not all of these are done by people in the military. When I was downrange a few years ago, there were 10 rapes against female servicemembers where the perps were caught. 4 of the scum were civilians, 2 were military. But 7 of the 10 rapes were by cilvilians.
     
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    203,000...

    And you're figure suggests that all of the reports come from females...

    No doubt that the majority do, but, not all...

    So, 19,000 across all services (according to one of your links), active, reserve, and guard, reported a sexual assault, and there are (at the time from the figures) 203,000-ish females on active duty...

    Still doesn't equate to 1 in 3 females, or 1 in 4 males, or 20% or whatever other bogus figures the different links claimed...

    Like I said, rape is not rampant in the military, and any suggestion that it is is just another attempt to further demonize the military...
     
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    No kidding...

    But, anything to make the military look bad, you know?
     
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    Mushroom who thinks he is not s rightwinger defending the US military again. What's new?
     
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    It is not too difficult to make the US military look bad,they provide ample evidence.
     
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    He's automatically dubbed a rightwinger for defending the military against a bull(*)(*)(*)(*) claim?

    Impressive...

    I'd think anyone with an interest in the truth would smack this claim down...
     
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    Third Man, go read the entire thread devoted to your original article and statement. I don't feel like breaking it all down again for you when it's already posted on here.

    Let's get back to the discussion at hand.
     
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    No,he is dubbed a rightwinger for his constant defence of the US military and his defence of Israel and spreading American propaganda which when called on it he cannot back up. So stop making up BS
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    Go read it yourself. I have already read it. This is not the army kid and you do not get to give orders.
     
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    I'll ask again, defending the military from a BS claim makes you a rightwinger?

    Because what I'm getting from this...

    Maybe you should address how several of your sources claim different figures, none of which seem to pan out in the evidence department...

    Maybe *gasp* he's actually in the military and knows what he's talking about...
     
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