9/11 firemen calling for justice: 'we've been lied to'

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  1. Vlad Ivx

    Vlad Ivx Active Member Past Donor

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    Few people who research 9/11 know this meeting even took place. In 2006, firemen from 9/11 joined a truther meeting at the Community Church in New York City. First responder David Miller speaks. He asks them to stand up. How many people can you count standing when he asks them to? Anyway, this is what he had to say:

    And the full speech, better quality video. This meeting is a condemnation of Popular Mechanics liars and the government covering up what they did.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6NQU2ptUNY

    Once again I'm quoting Spetember 11 The New Pearl Harbor. A documentary that's going to make history some decades from now along with other great things that are going to come from the efforts of the people who want truth in the world. The best documentary so far. One that debunker organizations no longer had a reply for. I had the honor to personally congratulate Italian film director Massimo Mazzucco, director of this documentary for this complete piece of work that beats any governmental investigation. Yes, plenty of Italians died on 9/11.

    And by the way, there's websites other than 'truther websites' that call it an inside job:
    http://www.organicconsumers.org/articles/article_2712.cfm
     
  2. LoneStrSt8

    LoneStrSt8 New Member Past Donor

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    That would make them defacto 'truther sites'

    And the 'term 'new pearl harbor' didn't mean being attacked again.....It meant the way our navy had to adapt to the new threat by the Japanese
     
  3. Vlad Ivx

    Vlad Ivx Active Member Past Donor

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    Actually there are websites that are specifically truther, built from scratch just for the movement and websites that exist for totally different purposes but welcome and are open to this well spread view that 9/11 was the work of the govt but feel free to consider it whtever you like.

    That's not the point of the OP. The title of the documentary is not the point of my discussion.
     
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    LoneStrSt8 New Member Past Donor

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    Then why mention it?
     
  5. Vlad Ivx

    Vlad Ivx Active Member Past Donor

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    Go figure, I respect other people's right to free expression and free belief.
     
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    LoneStrSt8 New Member Past Donor

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    and? why did you mention it?































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  7. Vlad Ivx

    Vlad Ivx Active Member Past Donor

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    Because I wanted to show my view, while underlining that you can keep yours no problem.
     
  8. nastimarvasti

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    I just recently watched "The New Pearl Harbor" twice since there's too much information to soak in on one viewing. Amazing work. By far the best thing I've seen on the subject and does a great job of debunking the debunkers.
     
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    LoneStrSt8 New Member Past Donor

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    NOT what I asked you.....
     
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    LoneStrSt8 New Member Past Donor

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    You really think so?

    How does it 'debunk the debunkers'?
     
  11. Vlad Ivx

    Vlad Ivx Active Member Past Donor

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    How does it not :lol:
     
  12. nastimarvasti

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    There are literally dozens of examples. The filmmaker asks 50 questions related to the mainstream theory. The film does a great job of showing what the debunkers say about each event, and then scientifically disproves them. Watch it and you'll see. You can watch the entire 5 hour long documentary (I'll be surprised if you actually do this) on YouTube. The part about the cell phone calls was chilling. Also interesting to learn was that a 757 is not capable of flying close to 600 miles/hour at near sea level without falling apart.
     
  13. LoneStrSt8

    LoneStrSt8 New Member Past Donor

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    You're right,I'm not going to sit through 5 hours of truther misrepresentation and outright lies...And the 757 never flew close to 600 MPH,the 767's did
     
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    Also impossible at near sea level.
     
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    Karma Mechanic Well-Known Member

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    actually that is not true.
     
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    Back up this claim ... show the math.
     
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    LoneStrSt8 New Member Past Donor

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    Why?....you figure normally they don't fly at that speed so close to the ground because of stresses on the airframe pushing the plane to the limit?

    You actually think the terrorists who were trying to CRASH the planes even cared?
     
  18. nastimarvasti

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    http://pilotsfor911truth.org/wtc_speed

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    The plane wouldn't have even made it to the buildings before being destroyed. Isn't that what the terrorists wanted? To actually hit the buildings?

    http://pilotsfor911truth.org/wtc_speed

    [video=youtube;9ZHamfG1aII]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZHamfG1aII[/video]

    Even a simple Wikipedia search will tell you that the max speed of a 767 is 567mph at 35,000 feet. There's no way it could get close to it at sea level.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_767
     
  19. Hannibal

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    Max SAFE speed.why do you attempt to change the meaning by leaving that word out? How about just being honest, instead?
     
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    Where do you see "Max Safe Speed"?
     
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    LoneStrSt8 New Member Past Donor

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    Why not?....You perhaps know 767 pilots crazy enough to try getting to that speed,jeopardizing a multimillion dollar aircraft,not to mention their lives?

    Do tell.
     
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    I trust what engineers, pilots, and the people at Boeing have to say over someone on the internet who is just trying to win an argument. And your argument doesn't make sense anyway. Even though they were trying to kill everyone, their main objective would have been to hit the towers. Not destroy the plane before it even got there. Not to mention the pilots have said that control would be lost for an experienced pilot. Let alone an amateur.
     
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    LoneStrSt8 New Member Past Donor

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    NO ONE at Boeing has said it was impossible to fly that fast...

    And it doesn't take much skill to crash a plane
     
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    Thank U ever so much for your opinion,
    now on with the facts, air resistance goes up by the cube ( X^3 )
    of the speed, so therefore an airliner traveling at 295mph having X resistance to overcome, would then at 590 mph have 8X resistance to overcome just to maintain speed, not to mention maneuver.
     
  25. Hannibal

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    Yet the fact remains ... they did it.
     

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