Keep on "wondering" if you think it makes you sound intelligent. You don't read, don't understand what you read or just pretend ignorance. 1. This thread is NOT about CIT. 2. I already posted my position on CIT, go back and re-read for comprehension. Furthermore, you're a blatant hypocrite. I don't see anything from you demanding any kind of OFFICIAL conduct from the 9/11 Commission/US government but yet you demand such "official conduct" from a NON-OFFICIAL entity and never question why such OFFICIAL conduct by 9/11 Commission/US government never took place. The hypocrisy/silliness from you is quite obvious and your claim of a "double standard" is as typically nonsensical as most of your posts about 9/11. There is not one iota of comparison between the OFFICIAL 9/11 Commission/US government and the NON-OFFICIAL entity known as CIT. The two are NOT and should never be held to the same standard by any stretch.
Bullfeces. I have watched about 4 different videos of his presentation to an audience. His story has been steady and consistent, and most believable.
He's trying to make an issue out of a non-issue because that's what fakes do. Throw **** up against the wall and hope it sticks in order to distract from real and highly significant issues. The fact remains that he testified in front of the 9/11 Commission and gave them a list of eyewitnesses who could corroborate his testimony. And the 9/11 Commission did absolutely nothing with his testimony or the list of potentially corroborating eyewitnesses. Even if he changed his story several times afterward or lost his mind, the testimony he gave is on official (likely discarded) record and unchanged. And the fact that the 9/11 Commission did nothing with such crucial testimony and failed to interview potentially corroborating eyewitnesses amounts to criminal negligence and criminal fraud (if done deliberately). And that's the REAL OCT issue, not what Rodriguez may or may not have done afterward in some poster's personal opinion.
You're right about that. The CIT is designed to keep intellectually inferior beings asking questions that have long since been answered. The Commission is for those who were interested in what happened on 9/11. - - - Updated - - -
You people keep playing dumb about the crushing proof that the government did it. http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=456423&p=1066183060#post1066183060 Anyone who takes the time to look at the proof can see that the people who wrote the NIST report were a bunch of sophists who didn't even believe what they said themselves. I hope that wasn't too far off-topic. He seemed to be trying to sway those viewers who hadn't seen the proof. We can discuss the proof on other threads.
Like I said in a post a few months back, it's not proof, it's an overwhelming mountain of circumstantial evidence. Proof that the highest positions in the US government were complicit in 9/11 is the historical fact that no credible significant action was taken prior to or on 9/11 to prevent or stop the 9/11 attacks from taking place despite multiple warnings. That's still not proof that the government did 9/11. The NIST's failure to conduct a legitimate investigation as mandated by Congress and its own primary published objective is an overwhelming mountain of circumstantial evidence of a coverup. It isn't because all the links you provided question the OCT, which is what this topic's all about. He makes little or no sense and his blatantly hypocritical posts are all off topic and intended to derail this discussion. I don't believe he's swaying anyone who isn't already swayed.
Anyone who is genuinely interested in what actually happened on 9/11 would ask many questions about what they're being told instead of cheerleading everything they're fed. You obviously don't fit that profile.
Nonsense, of course I am. If you've been following my posts and the fact that I started this thread you would know I constantly ask questions about the OCT. Something alien to a hypocrite such as you. I make allegations based on the facts and evidence, your silly claim has nothing to do with and doesn't change the facts and evidence. And the facts and evidence are overwhelming, this is just a small sample: http://www.politicalforum.com/9-11/458597-nist-9-11-scam-exposed-all-its-glory.html The NIST scam described throughout the thread in intricate technical detail speaks for itself. If I were "paranoid" I would never be posting anything that contradicts the OCT out of fear. It's questions about the OCT that led me to research and find evidence and facts that the US government and its puppet MSM will never publish. Without questions, all YOU and like minded obedient servants are left with is the OCT. Not questioning the OCT (and the US government) is alien and repugnant to me personally. "They must find it difficult... Those who have taken authority as the truth, Rather than truth as the authority." - Gerald Massey It is the first responsibility of every citizen to question authority. - Benjamin Franklin Speaking of paranoia, are you terrified to question the OCT? If you have no questions about the OCT, why are you still posting in this thread (albeit mostly nonsense)? Like I said, start you own thread questioning everything and everyone other than the OCT.
Okay, lets play a game. Several pieces of American Airlines aircraft parts were found in and around the Pentagon. Tell us how it got there.
Sorry I didn't join this forum to play games but you believe you did obviously. 1. Are you questioning the OCT or are you questioning me? If it's the former, it would be a first. If it's the latter, you're off topic as usual and the answer to my question is presumably yes, you are terrified of questioning the OCT. 2. You are not an "us", you are just you, you need to grow a pair and speak for yourself. But that's your problem. (Why is it almost all OCT defenders in this forum are so cowardly as to try to find comfort in pretending they speak for everyone and think like everyone? It is a common pattern I noted. Just a rhetorical side statement, no response needed.) 3. I didn't actually investigate 9/11 nor took part in it, no one asked me to nor do I have the qualifications. I have spent 13+ years investigating the OCT and the storytellers though and what the OCT failed to publicly reveal (i.e. covered up) about 9/11. So to answer your OCT question somewhat (I'll pretend that's what it is for the purpose of this thread), based on my personal research and as far as I know: The OCT claimed recovered aircraft parts' serial numbers were never matched to the parts logs of any of the alleged airliners as required by standard NTSB airplane crash forensic investigation protocol (see the NTSB manual if you're interested). Therefore they were never legitimately/conclusively/forensically identified, just OCT claimed as with just about everything in the OCT. There were FOIA requests for such a match which were categorically denied. (I can provide supporting links to these claims if you're really interested). Consequently I have no clue where those parts came from, how they got there or what they belong(ed) to (if anything). Because of its long illustrious history of pathological lies and deceptions, I do not and will never accept anything the US government claims on faith (such as the OCT). So as far as I'm personally concerned, everything the US government claims without support I take as a lie and a coverup unless and until proven otherwise by legitimate forensic investigation(s). But that's just me.
And you display the paranoia I mentioned beforehand brilliantly. Bravo!!!! And consequently, echoed what I said about your double standard for the CIT—for you demand no “legitimate forensic investigation” for the absolute garbage they put forth. I thought it was going to take a few posts to prove your paranoia. Thanks for making it so easy.
At this point I will quit responding to any posts from you that are off topic and request that the mods delete any such posts. Stick to the topic or stay out of this thread, you are trolling.
Realizing that one has been deceived by superb propagandists DOES NOT MEAN that one is paranoid. Not realizing that one has been deceived, 15 years after the fact, does mean one is morbidly incurious and likely deeply in denial. Many new facts have been discovered in the last 15 years. That some prefer to not acknowledge those facts is simply an indication of how cognitive dissonance plays out in society.
Cognitive dissonant characters not only dismiss/deny/ignore any facts contrary to the OCT, they also don't ask questions about the OCT.
(from post #37) I dealt with that here. http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=482175&page=2&p=1066782729#post1066782729 Go over to that thread and we can talk about it more. I guess it could be looked at that way. I guess it's kind of like the scenario of the CIA's hiring the mafia to kill someone for them instead of doing it themselves so that there wouldn't be anything leading back to them in case there was a mishap. There was such an incredilble amount of preparation that there at least had to be people in the govenment making it possible to make the preparations. The situation at the Pentagon couldn't have happened without people in the government making it possible as it was happening. That can be discussed here. http://www.politicalforum.com/9-11/482175-pentagon-9-11-a.html
In my heart I am 100% certain elements within the US government planned and carried out at least some of the most significant events on 9/11. These include the obvious stand down and the destruction of the 3 towers and very likely the Pentagon as well. Whether any "hijackers" (i.e. foreign terrorists) were actually involved or not in some form or just used as patsies is questionable. For example, the notion that 19 Arabs armed with box cutters were able to thwart the greatest intelligence/military apparatus ever created and were dead accurate on 3 targets is sheer fantasy. However other than the stand down, the rest is not proof, it's still speculation based on an incredible amount of circumstantial evidence (which includes the ensuing destruction of evidence and coverup). In most courtrooms, the sheer volume of circumstantial evidence would be more than enough to convince a jury to return a guilty as charged verdict. And this is why it's so important to question everything about the OCT. None of it is credible and by raising questions, the absurdity of the OCT and proof of what really happened eventually and inevitably surfaces. IMO there is something radically wrong with a person who spends all his/her time in a discussion forum defending every aspect of the OCT, the storytellers (as I'd like to call them) and attacks/ridicules everyone and everything that contradicts or questions the OCT. I also find it intellectually insulting that the 9/11 discussion is relegated to a section of this forum (and almost all discussion forums) called "Conspiracy Theories". 9/11 was not a conspiracy theory, it was a conspiracy fact no matter who was really behind it. It should be a major independent section in every forum simply called "9/11" because it was one of the most defining events of our generation. To call the event a "conspiracy theory" is to feed into government/MSM propaganda and its weaponized terms used to stifle dissent/open discussion. I find it appalling, to say the least.
Nobody saw anyone plant anything much less aircraft parts on the lawn or inside the building. The “planters” would have to get into the pentagon as well as cover several hundred square yards all without being seen by anyone. Incredibly unlikely. However, to give you a dram of credibility; wreckage would have to be there. If there was a story being told about 9/11 by the 9/11 Commission Report, the wreckage would have to be present. And it was. So yes, “planters” would have to be involved. That nobody saw them and that wreckage was found in a secure building…that is your fable. But we agree that wreckage was found; just the means of it getting there. Good. To summarize; we agree wreckage was found. The Commission report posits that it was from the wreck of AA77; you say it was planted. But both the Report and you agree it was there. Now lets move on to the traffic light poles. How did they get there? if they were not downed by the wings of an airplane. Just answer the question without referring to links please. The 9/11 commission report mentions nothing about them TTBOMR and if the report did, it was just in a manner of passing. Most plane crashes do involve wreckage but almost none involve traffic light poles being downed. - - - Updated - - - nice ISnt changing ones quotes against the rules???
So are you questioning the OCT as to why the 9/11 Commission Report does not mention the downed poles then? Or are you questioning posters which is still off topic?
I addressed all of that here. http://www.politicalforum.com/9-11/482175-pentagon-9-11-a.html Why don't you check out what I said and they give your rebuttal to it in that thread so as to stay on topic in this thread?
Yeah, it's pretty clear that a lot of higher-ups in the US government were involved. I started this thread a while back. http://www.politicalforum.com/9-11/424682-israel-involved-planning-9-11-attacks.html The dead link used to go to info on Christopher Bollyn. https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=9/11+bollyn
Once again you are off topic. None of the official reports mention the downed poles (by your own acknowledgement) and you are questioning posters, not the OCT as the thread topic requires. Please stay out of this thread if you can't stay on topic.
Let's continue on this thread about the Pentagon. http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=482175&page=18&p=1066928624#post1066928624
